Primo Carnera or Jess Willard?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Kamikaze, Mar 28, 2021.


So?

  1. Carnera

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  2. Willard

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  3. Draw

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "It is all true" - Primo Carnera, 1948


    Fill your boots.


    If by, "connected", you mean having to deal with them sometimes? Sure.

    Primo was a 100% owned asset of The Mob.


    I know where you're going with this. You're reaching.


    Enough testimony has been provided to draw a fair conclusion.

    If you can't refute the testimony (which you cannot); not just simply dismiss or ignore it, then that's a considerable weight of evidence of Carnera having been a manufactured product.
     
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  2. janitor

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    A throwaway comment, that you seem to be hanging a lot on!
     
  3. Kamikaze

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    You are cutting off the ring well- you do have him on the ropes but finishing Jan there is another animal.
     
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  4. Man_Machine

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    I'm not convinced that it wasn't a fix.
     
  5. janitor

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    Braddock actually got his license revoked for taking part in a dubious fight.
     
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  6. Kamikaze

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    So he admitted he was a fraud just for the sake of it?
     
  7. Man_Machine

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    Exactly what I meant by your ignoring and dismissing evidence.

    How do you know it's a throwaway comment? You don't.

    That Carnera follows up with: "But I wish [Schulberg] had come to me. I would tell him so much more." rather pours cold water on that meaningless retort of yours.
     
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  8. Man_Machine

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    And this compares to Carnera's manufactured career, how?
     
  9. janitor

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    You might want to look at Joe Louis's management.

    Almost e very significant fighter of that era, whether it was Joe Louis, or Sugar Ray, had links to the mob!
    I don't have to refute that testimony.

    The people making it, have to prove it.

    Anything that is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

    If I claim that there is a purple penguin, you don't have to prove that there isn't one.

    I have to prove that there is one, or there is noting to debate!
     
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  10. janitor

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    That is far more tangible, than nay allegation against Carnera, yet Braddock seems to get a pass!
     
  11. Kamikaze

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    And with a swift phantom like side step Jan bamboozles Machine leaving him crashing into the ropes.
     
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  12. janitor

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    Carnera knew that his management were corrupt, and he did not have a very high opinion of them.

    He was not saying anything very specific.

    This is not the nuclear weapon that you seem to think it is!
     
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  13. janitor

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    Behave!
     
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  14. Kamikaze

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    "It was all true" implying it is accurate ALL of it.
     
  15. janitor

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    But it clearly wasn't!

    That was probably a tongue in cheek response, by a man who had English as his second language, possibly misquoted.

    I am sorry, but this does not amount to a confession, and if it is, then it is not clear what it is a confession about.

    Also you don't get to cherry pick testimony from random magazines.

    If Carnera's testimony counts for something, then all of it counts.