Primo Carnera vs. Ernie Schaaf (Longest version now available on youtube)

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I must make clear my opinion of Carnera thus far. The first time I saw him, against KO Christner, he may not have looked skilled at all, but certainly appeared a top-notch vehicle for raw power. The second time I watched him was against George Godfrey. Here he looked mediocre to me. Against Jack Sharkey he looked everything that embodied a large, terrible fighter. He was clumsy, uncoordinated, showed in inaccurate, painfully slow, useless jab. Carnera even failed to land powerful blows of his own. The only thing I can say for him is that he showed some heart staying up in the furious 15th round rally of Sharkey's. It is clear to see my degrading view of Carnera.

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    1. Given my increasing negative judgment on Carnera, I was impressed from the outset. Carnera was coordinated, careful when he moved, careful when he punched. He threw a more effective (though still quite flawed) jab. He didn't appear like the Carnera of the Sharkey fight who looked like he'd just stepped into a boxing ring for the first time in his life. The round was mostly jab-and-grab from Carnera, but Schaaf did land a jolting left hook near round's end that must have made Carnera even more wary of Schaaf. Carnera.
    2. Carnera did what was more natural to him I felt. Slamming away inside with right uppercuts, rather than staying outside, jabbing ineffectively. Still, not a glamorous round for Carnera. Carnera.
    3. A round which I felt showed just how far Carnera's jab could go. Here, he actually showed an accurate, a powerful, and a fairly quick jab. If only he would keep it that way. Still, Schaaf would find occasion to land a good power punch, which he carried in either hand. Carnera.
    4-6. More of the same. Only, now it seems less significant cuz you're starting to get used to the pattern that's been established. Carnera.
    7. Schaaf's first round where he really looks to be in bad shape. He now offered no resistance against Carnera. Carnera.
    8. Schaaf actually connected with more punches here, but seemed to be deteriorating physically. Carnera.
    9-12. Schaaf's situation only grew dimmer as he was badly exhausted, badly beaten, and being badly outpointed. All three rounds to Carnera.
    13. This round evolved like most of the others. A clinch and they break. Carnera jabs and jabs. One particularly powerful left jab snapped Schaaf's head back though, and Schaaf went down. It was one of the strangest things I'd ever seen. At first, Schaaf gave the appearance of a man who was going to attempt to get up, but the life in him slowly left as he sank down on the mat.

    Verdict: Certainly not a great fight, but it was an impressive KO. Carnera, as I said, floored and stopped Schaaf with a left jab. Furthermore, it has restored some of my prior hope in Carnera. At least here he appears worthy of some respect. My main problem with Carnera was his jab. Although like in his other fights it often didn't land, or didn't land and accomplish anything, he did improve it so that it both landed and landed effectively enough to take Schaaf apart. A good performance from Carnera.
     
  2. reznick

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    Primo was impressive.

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    Sad ending aside, he put on a great performance. Sharp for a SHW. Smart. Athletic. Agile. Effective.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Do you believe Schaaf should have been in that ring?
     
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  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know, I need to study that whole situation more. I will try to get back to you on that one.
     
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  5. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is the most extensive version of this fight I have watched.

    Carnera looks to have improved a great deal since the Sharkey fight. He uses his right, both as right crosses and as uppercuts, a great deal and effectively. He has improved his clinching skills and because of his size and strength, is hard to work against inside. His jab looks very effective to me. Is it likely he is at this point a better fighter than the fading Jack Sharkey. I think so.

    Ernie Schaaf--I have never seen him in any other fight so there nothing to compare this performance against. He was a big man for the time at 6' 2" and 207 lbs. for this fight. Generally he was as big or bigger than the men he fought. Did Carnera's size and reach present problems he was not equipped to cope with even on his best night? I don't know. It looked like he could box some, but was wide open to both the jab and right crosses the whole fight.

    What is obvious is that this version of Ernie Schaaf was totally overmatched and took a beating the whole fight. The final jab really snapped his head back. This fight is not fun to watch knowing the ending.
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I totally agree. It left me with an uneasy feeling afterwards. I know they are out there, but I have never watched the 3rd Griffith-Paret or Moore-Ramos fight for the same reason. I just got caught up watching this today to the - literally - bitter end. Carnera did improve as he was getting adept at using his size to keep his man outside on the end of his punches. He had no defense other than lean back and clinch, and made it hard to get inside which had been mentioned here. Schaaf seemed to have a bit of success early with the looping hooks which he landed in the 3rd, but he seemed to deflate early. The story was he was only coming back after the flu and, back in those days, you bail on a fight you might not get asked back. Also, you didn't quit during a fight for the same reason. God only knows how he felt before and during the fight. Complaints may have fallen on deaf ears in his corner or he simply wouldn't have complained at all. Different times.
     
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  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought the fight was close up until the 7th.
     
  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's so sad! Griffith-Paret III is one of the best fights I've ever seen and Moore-Ramos is also an excellent fight. The men who were knocked out and died-Paret and Moore-gave as good as they got before they died. I'm not trying to downplay their deaths, but as I see it, Griffith and Ramos, the victors absorbed a lot of punishment themselves.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think it's so much sad as it is my choice. I could just put it on the back burner so I can enjoy the fight but I'm not built that way. It's not a squeamish part of me. Lord knows I don't have a squeamish bone in my body. And I could watch Moore-Ramos in its entirety since Moore didn't collapse until he was in his dressing room. But I have a lot of respect for these fighters and I just don't need to see their last moments on this earth to placate my own enjoyment. Of course its different when you don't know the result when its two good boys going at it, but when you do...nah!
     
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