Primo Carnera vs. Gerry Cooney

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  1. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How would the battle between these two giants end? I think Cooney would knock him out...
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not high on Cooney but he would viciously KO Carnera.

    Hell I'd favor the Cooney of the Foreman fight (perhaps even the Spinks fight) to beat Carnera.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Carnera would level Cooney with the same uppercut he leveled Sharkey with
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I will go with the more proven man in Carnera.
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I tend to agree with this, in the main (although, not with the version that fought Spinks - there are old ladies who could have beaten that version of Cooney).
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah that was a bit far, I concede.
     
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  7. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic For the honorable cross and the golden freedom Full Member

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    I think Gerry Cooney (Holmes fight) would beat any version of Carnera.
     
  8. janitor

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    Outside of a good performance in a losing effort against Holmes, what is there to suggest that Cooney was in Carnera's class?
     
  9. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic For the honorable cross and the golden freedom Full Member

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    I don't think Carnera was a spectacular class ever. He was physically superior to the boxers of his time. Even so, he lost to boxers who are lighter than him by 60-70 pounds; repeatedly. Carnera was "lucky" not to have weighed around 200 pounds at that age or he would never have been a world champion.
    Outside of a good release against Holmes, Gerry Cooney had back-to-back wins over Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, and Ken Norton (although all three were past prime) which were also good releases.
    I consider the fight with Holmes to be Cooney's peak. I don't think that a boxer's peak has to be a victory. For example IMO the peak of Ray Mercer was the fight with Lewis, although he lost.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Here is the problem with Cooney.

    Yes he destroyed some name fighters, who were no longer a fact or in the division.

    However he never beat a contender ranked in teh top ten.

    Not even one.

    He never beat a Trevor Berbick or Greg Page, or any of the other contenders who mattered at teh time.

    Now whatever you think of Carnera, he beat a whole heap of relevant fighters.
     
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    I need a thread where you just explain how underrated Carnera is. Please.
     
  12. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a fantasy head-to-head speculation, a single good performance on the part of one of the boxers in question - losing effort or no - is sufficient to base a pick on. This is especially the case when that one performance was given in a class markedly superior to that of the other boxer in question.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The Bowe vs Carnera abomination coves it in more detail that you could ever wish to read.
     
  14. janitor

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    How can you be sure that Holmes didn't simply have an off night?
     
  15. mcvey

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    Like he failed to level 84 lbs lighter Loughran? Carnera was NOT a puncher and appears on no credible lists as one.