Primo Carnera vs. Joe Joyce

Of course!

 

If you genuinely believe that, then you probably don't understand what makes a good resume.

There is literally no metric on which his resume is weak.

 

He couldn`t fight at all, he was a stooge for crooks exploiting his size and naivety, what is this thing you`ve got about poor old Primo? He was awful!

 

You are talking about his resume here, not how good he was head to head?

So you think that his resume was garbage?

Professional record 89-14.

70% KO%.

More knockouts than any other heavyweight champion in history.

Lineal heavyweight champion.

Multiple wins over current Ring ranked contenders.

Multiple wins over Hall of Famers.

An embarrassment of wins over named fighters.

What exactly does a good record look like?

 

Ok, you don't want to address my question (post #44) - which is perfectly fine, as that of course is up to you.

But how about the term "lover division"... what do you mean by that? Are you referring to boxers, who didn't belong in the absolute top, but a little below... like, for example, those who occupy the bottom half of a Top-10 list? Or is it those just outside the Top-10?

 

Not necessarily.

Annual Ring ratings for 1933:

Primo Carnera, Champion

1. Max Baer
2. Tommy Loughran
3. King Levinsky
4. Max Schmeling
5. Don McCorkindale
6. Patsy Perroni
7. Walter Neusel
8. Charley Massare
9. Steve Hamas
10. Lee Ramage

Loughran, Schmeling, and absent Sharkey are top notch, elite boxers through and through. Around the same time (say three years before and after) the likes of Baer, Uzcudun, Shaaf, Levinsky, and Lasky were active. Not that knowledgeable on the era to point at lesser known gems, but at heavyweight, despite it being a mediocre era overall, you had some impressive sharks swimming through the waters, and Louis was to start rising soon.

Were they better than the heavies of today? Not necessarily. Not all of them. From purely technical viewpoint I'd take Sharkey, Schmeling, and Loughran over almost any of the active heavyweights. Some, especially the one with amateur pedigree would be competitive of course.

Due to size h2h would be a long discussion. A lot of those guys would be cruisers, or would carry more weight with the decreased number of rounds. They were by no mean however primitive compared to modern fighters.

 

Kinda homeless at the moment. I skip a lot of posts which might devolve into longer debate.

By lower divisions as in lower weight classes.