Primo Carnera vs. KO Christner I (full fight now on youtube)

mcvey · Feb 6, 2021

70sFan865 said: ↑

I didn't say that Carnera is bigger puncher than Vitali, you seems to fail to get the point of my posts...
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You're entirely right there!

mcvey · Feb 6, 2021

Jason Thomas said: ↑

I don't understand the point of this post.

This is the post I quoted:

"Old Satchel feet was a one time Fascist booster, photographed in full black shirt uniform, and later a vociferous denouncer of Benito and his reign. So an activist, a pragmatist, an opportunist, and, in his last years, an apologist."

And I said on my post I didn't dispute any of this. So why a rebuttal to a position not taken?

And to the point of what does this have to do with his abilities as a boxer. All this could be true of a golfer who shoots several strokes under par on every course he plays. His politics wouldn't make him a bad golfer. Heaven knows you don't need to be politically correct to be a successful athlete.

This thread is about Carnera's performance in his filmed fight against Christner and by extension his overall abilities and career. Why was his politics dragged into the discussion?

"I fail to see anyone attempting to gain the high moral ground in the past or now."

This was specifically restricted to American boxers of the color line era versus Carnera swimming with the tide in Italy. What would that have to do with anyone not in that category, let alone now. Drawing the color line at least is relevant to boxing.

"Carnera being victimized"

The issue isn't what boxing officials did with Carnera, but whether his current reputation is distorted by political takes by journalists or boxing historians. The worth of films is that they are a primary source, not hearsay. I judge Sharkey hit Schmeling low because to me it is clear on the film. Who thought so or didn't think so at the time doesn't matter to me.

My take is Carnera was a huge and athletic man with some but limited skills, who managed to get to the top in a weak era in which he didn't defeat the best out there, Louis, Baer, and Schmeling, but won the title against an over the hill champion who was on the cusp of a severe career decline.

"prominent Italian fighters"

How many of these prominent Italian fighters were actually Italian-American. Italian-Americans had no direct connection to Italy and Mussolini's eventual aggressions. Carnera could be so linked as you in fact did.
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Campolo,Arcelli,Bernasolli ,found in 3 minutes.
You haven't produced a single fact to back up your aspersions just gone round in a circle which is in danger of sending me to sleep with boredom.I'm out.

Jason Thomas · Feb 6, 2021

mcvey said: ↑

Campolo,Arcelli,Bernasolli ,found in 3 minutes.
You haven't produced a single fact to back up your aspersions just gone round in a circle which is in danger of sending me to sleep with boredom.I'm out.
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You consider Victorio Campolo an Italian. I consider him an Argentinian. We do not have common ground for any discussion of this issue. I am entirely interested in how Carnera looks on film, not on these diversions.

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