Primo Carnera vs Tyson Fury

No I am talking about people who were ranked when Carnera actually fought them.

I must be very clear on this point.

If we include people he fought who were ranked at some point, then we might be looking at a dozen.

 

Which people are you 100% confident that were definitely ranked at the specific time of the fight.

 

The 6-3 is confined to such fights as I am confident of the opponent being ranked, and think the fight to be on the level.

Sharkey beat King Levinsky in 31 and 32. Levinsky finished those years at #4 and #’7 respectively. Since Carnera was the last person to beat him in both years, it is reasonable to infer that he must have been ranked when Carnera fought him.

Earnie Schaff finished 1932 at #5. His only loss after that ranking was published, was his fatal loss to Primo Carnera in a title eliminator. It is simply impossible for him not to have been ranked.

Sharkey was obviously the champion when Carnera beat him, and he had beaten Carnera in 1931, which he finished at #1.

Loughran was ranked #2 according to the contemporary press, and Max Baer was ranked #1.

Carnera fought a title eliminator with Impelletiere in 1935, and he finished the year at #8. The ranking does seem a bit odd, and suggests that Impelletiere had unrecorded fights.

I presume that I don’t need to justify Joe Louis having a ranking when they fought.

Leroy Haynes beat Carnera twice in 36 and finished the year on #7.

Beyond that, I would mention the following:

Ford Smith was rated #10 in the annual rankings, at the end of 1935, when Carnera beat him.

Stanley Poreda was ranked #3 and the end of 1932, when Carnera beat him.

Larry Gains was ranked #9 at the end of 1932, when he defeated Carnera.

Don McCorkindale was ranked #5 at the end of 33, and Carnera beat him in 32.

Victorio Campollo was ranked #10 at the end of 1929, and Carnera beat him in 31.

George Godfrey was ranked in both the years adjacent to Carnera beating him.

The two farces with Young Stribling took place in 29, where he ended the year at #7.

Uzcdun seems to drop out of the end of year rankings in 28, and Carnera beats him in 30.

Make no mistake, Carnera had bags of depth to his resume!

 

Poreda beat Carnera.

 

It is dangerous relying on annual rankings as an authority as to how someone was ranked.

It is dangerous for two reasons

1) they are manually input by someone over a very tedious and time consuming procedure which I know for a fact because I myself have done it.

2) some are generic annual rankings and some are just monthly rankings from a certain month in that year.

The scrutiny you are holding Fury to, you will not be able to hold Carnera to.

The Johnson fight was evidently a step up fight against a man who was unranked for the past 2 years.

The Chisora,Cunningham and Wlad fights were against legitimate world rated opposition as I have shown. Against those he is 4-0.

Using criteria that leads to that record being justified, what record do you claim Carnera to have? And justify why you think that record is superior to that of Tyson Fury.

 

As we proved with Impelletiere that simply is not true.

To be totally frank with you mare I believe iit's you showing a lack of understanding for the era. You seem to have this baseless aassumption about the depth of Primo's resume. We you look at the facts we have

4-0 for Tyson
6-3 for Primo.

So Tyson h's the advantage that he is unbeaten, has a far better victory at the top end and has no aspersions cast about fixed fights.

This debate started because you said on the strength of resume you believe Primo should be favoured over Fury. I have demonstrated that at the very worst Fury competes comfortably with the resume of Primo as well as having the advantage of being a better fighter in film.

After a lot of back and forth you have done nothing to alter my opinion that Fury is a favourite to beat Primo and I am more than confident that history will agree with me.

 

When you said Chisora had the kind of record that would have sank without trace in Primo's era.

Ok, the volume of world class opponents Primo faced is superior, I don't deny that. I'm on about the people he defeated.

I can't justify the 4-0 figure any stronger, I have actually shown you a specific monthly ranking which you have not been able to do. I have shown during the timescale of these fights all 4 men involved in Fury's side were top ten. You are using annual rankings not specific to a month, despite this I have accepted your assertion of 6-3 for ease of debate.

I'm dismissing none of Primo's opposition, I'm merely suggesting you are not holding them both to the same level of scrutiny.

And if I was to ask why you would favour Primo you would no doubt say due to his resume.

You say much better, but I do not see his 6-3 resume as superior to Fury's 4-0 resume, not at all.