Primo Carnera vs Tyson Fury

This is based on him training how many? 2?You could put Eddie Futch, Ray Arcel,Manny Steward, and Freddie Roach in Carnera's corner and he would not significantly improve, he was a moderate hitting giant, who lacked durability.

 

It should have been as a reply to your reference about Fury hitting himself.

 

I agree here.

I think that Carnera's trainers did about as much as could have been done with him.

 

I do wonder if SHW men were allowed to fight LHW as they did back then, would they find themselves looking slow and clumsy in the same way?

 

Fortunately we have weight classes to protect them from this!

 

I imagine most times they'd win. But realistically speaking now if Deontay Wilder fought every member of the LHW top ten in his next ten fights would he be a guarantee to beat them all?

 

Would you bet against him doing it?

 

Well if you knew Peter and followed him hes very intelligent,you would have to be to get a 6'9 guy to box smart and train smart with limited ablities other than size.I used Peter in referance to the thread,and no one would be able to train Tyson like Peter,no version of Carnera would defeat Fury if Peter is in his corner,he is himself limited. If they devised a way to beat Wlad, Carnera would be no problem.

 

He doesn't have a track record to indicate that he is a great trainer,he trains his son and his nephew that's about it. He has turned his life around but his boxing background is pretty sketchy ,one fight which he lost and a lot of sparring sessions. Tyson Fury trusts him because he is blood and it works for him ,but to postulate that he would make Carnera a better fighter is stretching it, he can't even improve his son Hughie who is a decent boxer without big power, similar to Carnera. Parker will beat Hughie and that will be his bubble burst
I've never suggested Carnera could beat Fury I think Alexander Ustinov would be 50/50 with Carnera!

 

It's hard to say tbh mate.

I mean all SHW type fighters throughout history struggled with sub 200 pounders unless they landed the big shot.

The only men who haven't have been those in the post 90's era when these matchups just didn't happen any more.

Weight classes are there for a reason, everyone knows that. And men like Wilder and Joshua can cause serious damage to any sub 200 pounder. But that doesn't necessarily mean they'd win the fight.

Carnera shouldn't, on paper, be losing to the likes of Maloney, Gains and Sharkey. And I'm sure if the fights hadnt happened people would assume he's too big to lose to them.

We don't really know how good Wilder is because of his poor opposition, I would expect him to beat everyone in the top ten of say LHW or CW, but it wouldn't be a huge shock if one of those 20 men beat him on points be being too quick for him.

I dunno, just musing out loud.

 

Well im telling you he is one,he wouldnt be training them if he wasnt.Ive seen many vids on the guy and he knows much more than most. you cant improve power ,to the extent hes winning because of skill.Hes not going far bc of power and style bc hes not going to outpoint everyone. I have little doubt he would out point Carnera bc Carnera is a predictable off balance jabber who has poor defense when hes being offensive.

Parker will win the hughie fight because of what i just stated. Hughie is not remotley as heavy handed as Carnera ,i dont even think he hits as hard as Spinks at 175 pounds. this is why hes no Tyson who can hurt you and be more assertive bc the guy is naturally 300 pounds.

 

Primo outpoints fury.

 

You telling me he is one doesn't make it a fact ,it just makes it your opinion,to which you are entitled.

 

steroids are used to get stronger. considering primo is maybe the strongest boxer ever, and that fury has a lot of advantages in his favour, not named strength, i don't see how are steroids such a big factor.

fury is more skilled, more mobile, fluid, has better reflexes, faster... noone of the things influenced by steroids.

fury probably needs two week camp to easily beat primo.