Primo Carnera vs Tyson Fury

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I said you think Peter fury is the last word on boxing. He's not. Trainers come and go.

    You said Primo would be better if he had Peter Fury as a coach. Whys that, so he can give him PEDs?

    We don't know what Fury would be like without PEDs.
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What relevance would that have to a debate?
    Stop puffing your chest out you've made yourself ridiculous.!
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    What relevance would that have to a debate?
    Stop puffing your chest out you've made yourself ridiculous.!
    The idea of you pulling rank is amusing,you have the debating ability of a ******ed chimp.
    Carry on here and you will be the butt of the forum. That's okay vocabulary challenged wannabees come and go, you won't be any exception.
     
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  4. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Carnera was his eras Valuev....Fury schools him.
     
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  5. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Your still the most dumbest smartest person on here...thats all i'll give you here. you obviously have nothing on topic as always. your even in agreement with others on fury schooling Carnera and you attack ppl who agree with you in your OWN posts that share the SAME view.... remember that one? lol what a simpleton you are! Go take your meds you are obviously BAITING another argument to show off...but you only show off your stupidity time and time again.

    ANYTIME you want to meet in the training section and you can LOOK up anything to sound smart let me know ,and we will see who knows what you clown?:icon_pc:
     
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  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And again story telling is all you do as i never said anything on a last word.The last sentance shows your an utter moron anyway,and i bet the imbecile mcvey will run in here and defend what you just said bc hes a moron as well.,who also likes fury here but if hes not on his meds will argue with it anyway,it wouldnt shock me one bit if his meds are for multiple personality disorders bc i took psychology in college...lmao

    you even started the thread with (TWO GENUINE) champions and now discredit Fury in your last post,see what a dummy you are ? why make the thread if you white wash the match up here? :imwithstupid:
     
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Fury is as genuine as you can get so far as being champion goes. I rate the guy at the moment. Fury is competing today and is a product of his environment. I actually have some sympathy. he probably has not done anything more illegal than anyone else at the top of the division has been doing for years. Against his peers he is not that guilty. Maybe even no more guilty than they are.

    However. When it comes to making comparisons with a fighter from another era Tyson Fury is far less innocent because the fighter from the other era is not using PEDs. A vital part of any fighters success must be attributed to the way he trained. And because Fury was more unfortunate than probably all of the recent champions in getting caught we can say PEDs were part of his training.

    Heavyweight champions Vitali klitschko, Frans Botha, James Toney all tested positive at some point. Evander Holyfield was linked to the Evan Feilds scandal. Then just recently we have Povetkin, Tony Thompson, Luis Ortiz, Browne and other relevant heavyweight contenders have also all tested positive.

    I am not white washing the match up on my own thread, I am not disqualifying him I am saying "take away" the benefits of performance enhancing drugs from Tyson Fury see what is left and put that reduced version in against Primo.
     
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  8. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    Keep on posting and ignore the Nonsense.
     
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    Psychologist AND a comparable fighter to Wilder ? You got a big future, can i get shares in you ?
     
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  10. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well why not just use PED fury if you are claiming he needs them,instead of pretending to have a legit thread? The thread in itself is useless,you basically said well peds are included with fury so its an unfair match.I highly doubt he was on Peds his entire career and used them just for Wlad,i am pretty KNOWLEDGEABLE in the area of fitness and see no difference prior to the Wlad fight. If you are making these excuses or points why bother with the thread itself? Again illogical comes to mind. your best bet is putting words others dont say and making stretching points to fit a point bc thats what you do often. No offense.
     
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    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    oh look another section idiot comes out of the wood works...lmao
     
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  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What chance do you give a PED reduced Fury against Primo?

    Why do you think Primo responds to Peter Fury more than he did with the guys who took him through 80 fights against some pretty skilled and wide ranging guys guys like Laughran, Sharkey, Schaff, Stribling, Poreda, Laskey, Gains, Godfrey, Gorman, Louis, Baer, Neusell etc etc. Primos own experiences like having 30 fights between both Sharkey fights surly amount to him knowing how to win at elite level?

    I don't buy this stuff that a trainer turns a guy round all that much after he's already made the grade.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You still haven't answered the question though, if you're such a master why aren't you training him?
     
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    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    That's the plan haha
     
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  15. janitor

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    I always find it excruciating when somebody cites PEDs as an argument in favour of modern fighters.

    If they are only beating the old timers because they are cheating, then it is nothing more than a sham!
     
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