Primo Carnera

For some ignorant people it´s pretty easy, Carnera´s wins were all fixed, and his defeats happened only when his opponents didn´t agree with the price Carnera´s gangsters offered them...







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No one has said or suggested that ALL Carneras fights were fixed,I said Some of them,and to call people stupid just because they hold a different point of view to you reflects more on you than them Luigi.You for example have stated on this forum several times that Carnera was a big puncher ,when it is widely acknowledged that one of his main deficiences as a fighter was his lack of punching power,backed up by first hand testimonies from Tommy Loughran,Joe Louis,and Larry Gains.No boxing writer rates Carneras power,he is not rated in any list I have seen concerning ko punchers,what does this tell you?Ihave enjoyed reading your posts ,from time to time we have disagreed ,but Ive never thought of you as stupid ,or called you stupid in print,we are each entitled to our opinions,but I do feel you have a fierce protective streak where Primo is concernedpossibly due to you being Italian,I have nothing against Carnera ,I beleive he was a good natured man with a ton of heart,who was shamefully exploited by low lifes,but that he was just an average champion at best,Janitor mentions his wins over Loughran,a light heavyweight who was outweighed by 89 lbs! and fighter who staggered Primo twice,and lost a decision ,Earnie Schaaf had been badly koed by Max Baer in his last fight and was comingfrom a sick bed ,getting over a severe bout of influenza,when Schaaf went down in that fight,the famous boxing writer Hype Igoe said ,"the only way Ill belive this is if the son of a ***** dies"which of course he did,so dubiously was Carneras ko record viewed by those in the know.

 

I didn´t use the word stupid in my last post, and 100 % I didn´t mean you, you´re a good poster with good boxing knowledge who I respect.

 

Btw, I didn´t rate Carnera as one of the hardest punchers ever or so, but his one punch is very underrated and when he landed a good shot, he ended most of his fights, even against fighters with a very good chin...

 

I also don´t understand why some people think it´s so much important to hear at things a fighter/manager/trainer etc. said in the past, it´s nothing new to make someone worse than he was, the typical stuff "I had to knock him out to win, I knew it", I was much better, I had a bad night", etc., nothing new here, I don´t understand that, for example here, who have seen the fight Carner against Loughran? I think not many, I´ve seen ca. 15 min. of it, and Loughran was wide away to win...

 

Sorry Luigi ,you didnt use the word stupid ,it was ignorant ,not sure which is worse, Ive just replied to Janitors post ,and Ill leave poor old Primo in peace after that he had a sad end ,going back to Sequals to die of cirrhosis of the liver ,a decent man with a lot of courage.

 

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Btw, with ignorant I didn´t mean it bad, I meant that a record what Primo had can´t lie, some of his opponents said he´s was very good, he looked good on tape, some of his KO- wins who were devasting (Campolo, Bearcat Wright, etc.) were all on film, so when some say he was just a bum, than it´s ignorant IMO...

 

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I am no Carnera hater,I find his career and life interesting and trajic.I have read a lot on him,and outside of a few poster's on this board,everything I have read was he was a trajic inept giant the mob took advantage of.He believed the hype they did on him,he really thought he was good.I think he was very strong,powerful body,but from what I read,his chin had the tinkle of glass.Primo,was a good man,who trained hard,but was in a foreign country,alone and didn't know the language and easy to fool.I.read about a fight,with Big Boy Peterson,Primo pawed a couple of times and Peterson went down like he had been shot.The crowd hooted,and the mob took Carnera on the road to,outa the cities {fool the yokels}.Nothing personal Luigi,this is stuff I have read on the guy.

 

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The crucial questions are these-

Which of Carnera's key fights were fixed?

Wast the fight in which he won the title fixed?

Were the three key fights that got him his title shot fixed?

If the answer to these question's is no then you are spreading a lie.

You are saying that a fighter who legitimately earned a shot a the title and then legitimately won it was a big joke and a product of a series of fixed fights. In fact you are giving a nod to the idea that he was a 270lb punch bag.

This is a man who legitimately won the lineal heavyweight title on his merits.

Please give him the apropriate respect.

 

It might have been painfully obvious that Carnera couldn't take a punch after his knockouts by Baer, Louis, and Haynes, the three hardest hitters of the era, but it was not so painfully obvious earlier. Here is
James J Corbett on Carnera in 1931:

"But there may be possibilities in Carnera, after all. You must admit that he is comparatively inexperienced, and that considering his background, he has done pretty well. It seems impossible to hurt the giant, and a man of that type may be the answer to the 1931 prayer among the heavyweights."

Ring Magazine May, 1931