"Prince" Charles Martin will defeat Anthony Joshua on April 9th.

atsch Both still have a lot to prove and there are still many question boxes that need to be ticked. But like I said, at least Joshua has proven himself against the best amateurs in the world whereas Martin hasn't proven **** yet amateur or pro.

I like Martin and have said numerous times that I think he might turn out to be better than many think he is. But fact is his resume is full of tomato cans. I give him a good chance against Joshua. I'd say it was a 50-50 fight if not for Joshua having home advantage. Joshua still has a lot to prove too. Offensively he's a beast and really looks the part but he can be hurt and he looks a bit vulnerable under fire to me.

And the reason you don't recall seeing Martin down or hurt yet might have something to do with the fact that he's fought a slew of tomato cans. Joshua wasn't troubled by any of the 14 guys he fought prior to stepping up against Whyte either. I said Martin's best legit wins are Dawejko ie. one of the roofers I was talking about (and that was a Dawejko who wasn't taking training as seriously as he is now as well) and Tom Dallas (roofer #2). And that was a Tom Dallas who was coming of a year and a half layoff and had been knocked out 4 times, 3 inside 2 rounds. The Glazkov win is meaningless and Dallas is domestic level with glass whiskers.

 

:rofl When the f*** did Joshua become Guillermo Rigondeaux?

 

Are you re****ed? I like Martin you moron and I've already said I give him a good chance and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he landed a big left hand and knocked Joshua out. But fact is he hasn't beaten anyone at all, not amateur or pro, therefore he hasn't proven anything other than he can knock over cans.

What did Joshua prove in the ams? Er. I know he was awarded a gift against Savon and he was lucky to get by Cammerelle too. He lost to Magomedrasul Medzhidov in the world amateur championships by a single point in Azerbaijani ie. Medzhidov's backyard. Medzhidov is a 2 x world amateur champion, Olympic bronze medalist and a European gold medalist and he's a beast.

Cammerelle is a 2 x world amateur champion, and 2 x bronze, an Olympic gold, silver and bronze medalist, and a 3 x European silver medalist. He's a hell of a fighter.

Joshua beat Ivan Dychko who is a 2 x world amateur silver medalist, 1 x bronze, an Olympic silver medalist and top fighter.

Joshua also beat Zhang Zhilei who is an Olympic silver medalist, 2 x world amateur bronze medalist.

He also beat Erik Pfeifer who is a 2 x world amateur championships bronze medalist

And he beat Sergey Kuzmin who is a European gold and silver medalist.

Both of the Cammerelle fights were razor close, regardless who you think deserved to have their hand raised. But the fact that he even took Cammerelle, Medzhidov and the other elite amateur SHWs in the world that close proves a lot. atsch

Now let's here you reel off Martin's accomplishments against elite fighters amateur or pro.

'Fifteen months ago, heavyweight Joey Dawejko was so far down that when he looked up he saw the bottom. That was then and this is now and as Dawejko, winner of five in a row and nationally ranked, prepares to fight Unobong Umohette, of Nigeria, on Friday evening, March 6, at the 2300 Arena, he concedes it’s been a wild ride. “It’s hard to believe the way things turned out,” Dawejko said, “but I’m not complaining. I started in the outhouse, and while I’m surely not in the penthouse yet, at least I am pointed in the right direction.”

When Dawejko was stopped in the third round by unbeaten lefty Charles Martin on Nov. 14, 2013, it marked his third loss in five fights and the first time he had been on the floor as an amateur or pro. “When I got the call to fight Charles Martin, I was working on a roof in Atlantic City,” Dawejko said. “The fight was seven days away. I hadn’t been in the gym and there was no time to train after I got the call since I needed to keep roofing to pay bills. I went out there (Hollywood, CA) with my trainer and my brother and I had nothing. I could tell when the fight started. I got knocked down for the first time in my life and my trainer threw in the towel at the end of the third round.

“After the fight, I knew my dreams of becoming a contender were over, but I figured I could always make money as an opponent. Since I was still working as a roofer, I knew I could always fall back on that.”

It had been that way for too long for Dawejko, an outstanding amateur (56-12 record) who won 14 national titles and, at 16, became the youngest-ever to win the Eastern Olympic Trials, doing it in 2007. “My grandfather took me to a Golden Gloves card at the Blue Horizon when I was 10 years old and I was hooked,” Dawejko said. “After that, I got him to take me to a boxing gym (Harrowgate) and that’s where I started.”

When he turned pro in 2009, Dawejko was managed by former WBC heavyweight champ Hasim Rahman.

“I had been in camp with Rahman and I guess he liked what he saw,” Dawejko said, “but things didn’t work out and we went our separate ways after my fourth pro fight.”

From there, Dawejko went from one manager to another, one promoter to another, mostly managing himself, training himself (when he found time) and promoting himself.

He once flew alone to Montreal and lost a six-round decision to then-unbeaten Didier Bence.

“I never had the team around me that other fighters had,” Dawejko said. “It was not easy.”

Two months after losing to Martin, Dawejko got a call on two weeks’ notice to box fringe contender Derric Rossy, of Medford, NY, at the Golden Nugget casino in Atlantic City. When Dawejko upset Rossy via eight-round decision, everything changed.

“After that fight, I knew I still had a chance to become a contender,” Dawejko said.

In the audience at the Dawejko-Rossy fight was promoter J Russell Peltz.

“Joey controlled the fight that night,” said Peltz, “and he had a nice little fan base there on a couple of weeks’ notice.

“For the next month or two, I stayed in touch with him. His promotional contract was declared invalid and I was getting close to signing him. We talked about him fighting Mark Rideout on May 16 at the 2300 Arena. Joey had beaten Mark in the amateurs, but Mark had not lost in six pro fights.

“The last week of March, Joey got an offer for $20,000 to go to Russia on one week’s notice to fight Kubrat Pulev, a top contender. It was a tough call. Joey had bills to pay and here I was asking him to walk away from a $20,000 payday in return for one that would pay him $17,000 less.

“I kept reminding him that by taking the Pulev fight, he would just be doing what he had been doing for years, taking hard fights on short notice. He understood, but the money was appealing.

“When he told me he was going to discuss it with Maria (fiancé Maria Sagias), I thought I was a goner. They had two young children I was sure Maria would go for the money.

“Wrong! She agreed that it was time for Joey to see the big picture so he turned down the Pulev fight and signed with me that same week.”

Dawejko, now known as The Tank—he is 5-foot-10, 235 pounds–defeated Rideout by eight-round decision on May 16.

With Dawejko in search of a manager, Peltz suggested Mark Cipparone, of Rocco’s Collision in Haddonfield, NJ, who was making a name for himself with junior lightweight Tevin Farmer.

“I’ve got a new place to live, a strength coach, a new trainer and I couldn’t be happier,” Dawejko said. “I have people looking out for me and I never had that before. All I ever had was broken promises. I’ve never trained like this before and I never before at peace with my boxing career.”

Ranked No. 12 by the USBA, Dawejko, 24, followed the win over Rideout with a trio of first-round knockouts over David Williams, of Philadelphia, Yohan Banks, of Redwood City, CA, and Rayford Johnson, of Longview, TX, bringing his record to 13-3-2, 6K0s.

On a personal level, Dawejko and Sagias take care of Hailey, 9, and Jayla, 2, and they are expecting a third girl in April.

“If I get by Umohette in March, then I will look for a fight that by winning will get me a world ranking,” Dawejko said. “Then I would be in the penthouse.”

He posts on Boxrec and I remember him saying he got the call to face Martin on late notice at the time.

A top 10 contender who had arguably received 3 gifts? And Martin wasn't in total control of the fight. Nothing much happened and neither of them landed much of consequence. Martin was having a decent round but that doesn't prove anything. At the very least Joshua would've done as good as Martin did against him and I personally think he would've done even better. Again, I like Martin and I give him a good chance against Joshua but he HASN'T beaten anyone. That's just the reality of it, baboon brain. atsch

 

Man you guys are going to be shocked when Martin beats Joshua's ass from one side of the ring to the other, you are vastly underrating him, he's easily as good, and IMO much better than the Thompson who fought Price, he's faster, shaper and has far better footwork than TT.

 

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