Prince Naseem Hamed: A Career Retrospective

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  1. DINAMITA

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    Very wrong.
     
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  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I'm as big a Prince Naseem fan as anyone, but even at his peak he would struggle with all those listed. Ok, he would have a chance, no doubt about it, but I wouldn't make him favourite against any of those guys, not that on his day he couldn't beat them, just seems unlikely.
     
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  3. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    Barrera got Hamed at a good time and thats a fact, Naz was nowhere near his best and hadnt looked his best for a wee while.

    He would definitely at his peak beat(KO) JMM and Pacman and im a big JMM fan

    I'd favour him over Morales and Barerra aswell, im talking about Naz at his best.

    Naz wasnt inferior to these guys at his best.
     
    theboy_racer, Nov 21, 2008
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  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    you have to admit that the smart money would be on the fab 4 you mentioned.
     
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  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Like I said, a prime Naz would be competitive against all those guys, maybe beats one or two of them.
     
    El Cepillo, Nov 21, 2008
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  6. lONGCOUNTED

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    You did a good job articulating your points. I'm of the camp that thinks Naz was an overrated hype job, but you wrote well and in complete sentences which is more than I can say for most on these boards.

    I did disagree when you said he was tough to find. While he was never knocked out; he was dropped several times.

    I think the MAB fight really sealed my opinion of him though. He spent a great deal of that fight flailing around like an idiot. That being said, he was always entertaining both with personality and power.

    Thanks for the article! It's always good to see other people's perspective.
     
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  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    he was at his worst when facing the judge..:-(
     
    El Cepillo, Nov 21, 2008
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  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Thanks.

    The thing is, "overrated hype job", yes, ok, in some ways, but only because Naz and his people made him out to be the greatest boxer ever, an unbeatable force. But in reality, a guy who wins all the major titles in his division, beats multiple world champions, and only has one loss to a prime ATG, that is being overated or a hype job, that is the reality of Naz's career.
     
    El Cepillo, Nov 21, 2008
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  9. lONGCOUNTED

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    I see your point... In my mind you better beat a few legends before you ride into the ring on a magic carpet...
     
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  10. BadJuju83

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    Its wrong to say he wasnt at his peak.

    Undoubtedly something perturbed him during camp and the fight, what it was I havent a clue. I havent heard anything directly from him so anything else is speculation. Until something persuades me otherwise I'll put it down to the man he was facing.
     
    BadJuju83, Nov 21, 2008
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  11. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Lol, yeah! That is true. :yep
     
    El Cepillo, Nov 21, 2008
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  12. The Phenom

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    He beat genuine quality fighters like Wilfredo Vazquez,Tom Johnson,Wayne Mccullough,Vuyani Bungu,Cesar Soto,Paul Ingle,Manuel Medina,Steve Robinson and Kevin Kelley.His resume is very good specially when you consider the way he knocked out some of those guys.
     
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  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Manny Steward who trained Naz for Barrera is on record as saying Naz basically didn't train properly for the fight, that he was basically not taking it seriously at all and spent most of the time playing on playstation with his brother - who was present all through the training camp I believe.
    Naz's attitude and dedication were defeintly not right for Barrera (he retired very soon afterwards remember) and I think he generally fell out of love with the sport around the time of the Vasquez fight, he was on the slide from there, IMO, but it was mostly mental, as I say, lack of desire, dedication, believing his own hype and invincibility etc.
    I would say the Naz who fought Barrera was about 70-75% of the Naz who beat Bungu, Vasquez, Kelley etc.
     
    El Cepillo, Nov 21, 2008
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  14. viperguy

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    Naseem Hamed is by far the best fighter boxer i've ever seen. I'm talking about late 80s and onward. I know there's a lot of good fighter like Tyson and Jones but I have never seen a boxer that beat up his opponent so bad like they were nothing. I mean this guy literally just stood infront of his opponent and trade with them while leaning back to avoid punches. Fighting with your hands down and leaning back to avoid punches is mad dog skills. He wasn't just bragging, he was bloody good :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    :good
     
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