Prince Naseem vs Alexis Arguello

Do you think that Hamed struggled with Kelley?

If you want to consider a competitive-looking bout, which ended inside five rounds in Arguello's favor, as him struggling, be my guest. I do not class it as such.

Other than the first round flash KD, Arguello was having the better of it until the imminent finish. At a modest estimation, I'd say Arguello was out-landing Gannigan 3 to1, at least.

Then don't. JLR certainly showed me some class against Arguello. In perhaps his best ever performance, Mancini just had the style and energy that night to completely overwhelm Ramirez.

I watched the fight. Believe me, Arguello was well-ahead.

I didn't say Barrera was aggressive. But he was offensively-minded. There's a difference.
That said, I'd characterize the last couple of rounds as Barrera being aggressive.

What might have happened had he fought Hamed like he fought Morales is immaterial and, quite honestly, it's unlikely that kind of fight could have happened anyway. Hamed wasn't on Morales' level either.

I think this invites an oversimplified idea of what it would take to beat Arguello. It really doesn't take into consideration what Arguello is going to do to take command of the fight - primarily with his jab, much like Barrera did. And, Arguello wasn't entirely bereft of defense. I'd be surprised if he couldn't see Hamed's intentions and defend accordingly - much like Barrera did.

I think both Hamed's skills and his power are overrated. It became apparent what a disciplined technician could do to suppress Hamed's risk appetite and options.

Arguello epitomizes the term 'disciplined technician'.

Sure - Hamed has a puncher's chance.

 

To answer your 1st question yes i consider Hamed vs Kelley a struggle absolutely.

I think our definition of struggle is different fair enough i won't be too fickle about it but what i'll say is no Arguello wasn't losing per se but he was dropped and rocked numerous times. I seem to remember a punch by Ganigan maybe in the 4th round ? that made Arguello's legs go to jelly. Put it this way if we were to of watched it live and commented about it in a RBR thread would you have been entirely confident if you were an Arguello fan ? i think there was enough resistance from his opponent added to the fact that Arguello was dropped and wobbled a few times to warrant it being called a struggle but that's my just my opinion like i said i won't disagree with you if you see it differently.

Fair enough i don't think Ramirez is a bad fighter but i think Arguello's performances against southpaws could vary even though overall he did have a good win percentage vs southpaws which shows his adaptability. But i do think he was very fortunate to walk away with the nod vs Ramirez i consider that a gift personally.

I had it closer something like 6-4 ? i won't be fickle over it though as it's a different opinion.

I think maybe my choice of words the 1st time may of not been the best choice of words i think "disciplined tactical approach" which i said before is a better description. Basically what i was trying to say is that Barrera realized Hamed carried a huge threat in regards to his power so he made sure not to get into brawl with him or exchange punches.

My issue with Arguello is he could be quite hittable despite being well above Hamed in regards to technical ability. Added to the fact Arguello could be quite a slow starter i think those first 6 rounds or so could be a bit of minefield for Arguello. Whilst Arguello's resume is superior to Hamed's that's not even debatable, from memory apart from Ganigan i don't recall Arguello fighting a puncher on the same level as Hamed, he fought other big punchers sure but Hamed's power is a bit freaky for the Featherweight division in regards to one punch power.

I see Arguello taking over the fight in the 2nd half of the fight with his jab and superior skills, but i don't see this as an easy fight for Arguello i think Hamed would pose a danger for him in the 1st half of the fight.

 

Arguello was a better fighter and also has about 7 inches in height and 9 inches in wingspan on Hamed.

Hamed was a monster puncher, but what are the chances of landing that perfect shot? Very slim.

Arguello might take a little while to adjust to Hamed’s unusual style, but would gradually take over. Hamed might go into a defensive shell and last the distance, but Arguello is one of the hardest hitting featherweights ever (and could finish very well)

 

Arguello TKO mid rounds 7 - 9. levels

 

Arguello beats the viscera clean out of him

 

Ruben Olivares was twice the fighter Hamed ever was, even the version that Arguello fought... and he couldn't find it.

 

Well, there wasn't much in it, in terms of the action itself. The stats were similar and Kelly was ahead on the cards at the end (albeit after only three rounds).

It seems so. The use of the word "struggle" to describe a competitive event just doesn't fit with my outlook on sport. But, in the case of Arguello/Ganigan, it just doesn't fit at all, for mine.

I was not perturbed by the KD in the first round. I was reasonably confident after round-2. I was totally confident after Arguello returned the favor, putting Ganigan down in the third. Beyond this, it was just a matter of time.

In fact, by my card, Ganigan won the first, Arguello won rounds 2, 3, and 4, with the Knockout Victory coming in the 5th.

I'm stating the obvious here, but performances will vary based on the ability and tactics of the opponent, regardless of stance. In Arguello's case, the 'experience advantage' of the southpaw was pretty much negated, due to Arguello being demonstrably comfortable against them.

Most do. But, then again, make it for a title over 15 rounds and there's probably little to no argument that Arguello wins.

Fair enough.

I get it. It was a choice to take a tactical disciplined approach. That much I agree with. But what I was initially challenging was this idea that Barrera fought off the back foot. He didn't, and there were even occasions he broke formation and went on the pure offensive.

However, in the main, Barrera applied intelligent pressure to Hamed; enticed him and walked him on to counters. And, that dynamic was primarily driven via the jab and the feints with which he used to set it up.

The thing is, what was a tactical choice for Barrera is what I perceive as being something quite innate to Arguello's approach to his fights, in general.

Again, that's fair enough - but I'm not that concerned about what Arguello has faced in terms of punchers, when he made his way through 130, 135 and gave 140 a good go against an exceptional Light Welterweight in Pryor.

And Hamed never fought a puncher like Arguello. That's before we consider the longer frame of Arguello; his height and reach advantage and what this would afford him against a guy who lunged in - even against opponents of similar physical stature.

I just don't see the difficulties for Arguello as you do - and I think Hamed is apt to be in a much more difficult situation than he was against either Kelley or Barrera - to the extent I would predict that eventually Arguello leaves Hamed on the canvas.

 

Hamed had advantages in hand and foot speed.
But everything else would be for Arguello.
Power- Arguello
Skills- Arguello
Height -Arguello
Reach -Arguello
Ability to adopt and change tactics-Arguello
Mental toughness-Arguello
How does a fighter control Hamed's unorthodox angels of attack and speed?
Barrera showed us, put the jab on him, use it overtime, make him reset with it.
Arguello had a better jab than Barrera and was a much better fighter than he was.
Personally my opinion, how defensively undisciplined Hamed was, with his hands usually down by his waist, with his chin in the air just begging to get hit. I doubt very seriously he'd last longer than five rds against Arguello.
I just don't see it
Arguello 5-7 rds at the most..

 

Arguello in 6.

 

You used the very word I was going to use to describe Arguello’s edge: “correct.”

Alexis was savagely correct.

He’d dismantle Naz, and I think early. if Kevin Kelly could find him, Alexis wouldn’t be able to miss him.