Prize fighter

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by PaddyD1983, Feb 20, 2009.


  1. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The rest of these tournaments havent really appealed to me that much, but I think this one looks competitive. A good calibre of boxer.

    My pick is Fry. Good, quick southpaw. Should be higher than he is in the British rankings but injury has held him back. This is pretty much his last shot at domestic glory and I think he'll take it.

    Who are we going for?
     
  2. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    glad you're looking forward to it paddy...

    are there any others out there who feel like i do about 'prizefighters' and who think its a very BAD thing for boxing??...are there others on here who object to it ?
     
  3. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see your point Doug and would have agreed with the other tournaments, but I genuinely like the look of this one! I'd prefer it if they did it over say 4 weeks and had 6 or 8 rounders but as it stands this looks like a good night in tonight!
     
  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    yes...i'd have no objections to that.

    my issues...and i have said this too many times here already.


    1. watching ted bami with a broken nose walking across a ring to fight michael lomax who has stitches in his head...both sets of injuries coming from fights in the past hour...and then to expect a proper competitive fight?...i want to see boxing where both lads have the best chance against the opponent and are properly prepared...not half fooked from 2 fights previous that evening.

    2. boxer a gets to the final after 2 very hard fights...finds himself with a very sore body and he's very tired...he looks across the ring and boxer b is a southpaw...he's never fought a southpaw as a pro before...and isnt ready....he's had no time to prepare for tatics...and he's fooked from the previous fights that evening..

    thats not the sport of boxing...not for me anyway...
    i think it belittles boxing...it tells the average punter that boxing is just about scrapping...that tatics and skill are un-important...

    i know its good for giving boxers exposure....like rogan has done so well from it....
    but i cant see anything else good about it...
    making a professional boxer have 3 pro fights on one night is anything but professional boxing...it's a circus activity.

    just my thoughts of course.
     
  5. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But these are four rounders. Equivalent then of a twelve round fight?

    I'm just playing devils advocate to be honest. I agree with all of your points. But at the end of the day, this is an entertainment industry. If the fights are good then they work.

    It's not like these are top level boxers either. I think it does ignite some interest in the domestic scene.

    The one problem I have is if the draw pits hard fights for one finalist but the other finalist gets less physically draining fights. This completely puts the fight off balance. But it's four rounds. Shouldnt be a massive test for a pro.
     
  6. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    i thought it was 3 rounds...anyway...i hear you fella...but where does it all leave tatics?...you have to fight 3 guys with 3 different styles to win...i dont see it as the equivilent of one 10 / 12 round fight at all..
    as for not top level boxers....well these are pro boxers, and their level is high...not world class, but these guys are at a high level...ie..i would consider fighting for a british title a 'high' level...

    as for entertaining...it should be, but at what price?...it should be a professional sport first and foremost...where would entertaining stop...tag teams??

    some lad will be killed in one of these finals yet...and the aftermath will be headlines and articles saying how he was badly hurt from the previous fight, should not have been in the final...and how this kind of 'entertainment' is barbaric...and then you will have the 'ban boxing' brigade back out in force...
     
  7. PaddyD1983

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    As for 'top level', bad choice of words from me. My point was that you average man on the street will see this as just fighting, but we can always point to the fact that this is not the elite of the sport. I agree British title is high/top level boxing. Bad terminology on my part in the previous post.

    I thought these were 4 rounds, maybe it is three. I didnt watch the other ones as I had little interest in them.

    I do take your point on the safety aspects, but I see no reason that these fights cannot be as medically safe as a 12 round contest. If someone is hurt, stop the fight. Simple as. Whether that be in round 12 of a twelve rounder or round 1 of a three rounder.

    On your tactics point. Yes, this is the major downfall of this tournament. But for each boxer going in, surely they will weigh up the potential opposition and try to figure out a blueprint to stick to for each opponent. If you like, it does give boxers the opportunity to try to think on their feet or come up with some masterplan to beat 3 opponents of a possible seven.

    The tactics issue is the big one, and I agree that it's a flaw to the system. As I say above, I would prefer it over 3/4 weeks but I'm taking it for what it is.

    I think it's as safe as any other aspect of the sport.

    And it's all within the Queensburys, so tag teams are out :yep
     
  8. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Looking forward to this oakey or fry.... Both are suited to the distance- oakey maybe more so- if he's prepared proper he wins!
     
  9. dan-b

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    Oakey was on the Bunce show the other week talking about this and I must say he did look up for it. Wouldn't surprise me if he does the business, it's suited to his style.
     
  10. TFFP

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    I went for Boyle.

    For the simple reasons he's undefeated and has a punchers record, and nobody else picked him. Never seen the guy in my life.

    I think Oakey is a safe pick. His work-rate based style should be suited to this.
     
  11. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    firsty..i must say i respect your point of view paddy..you are a knowledgable boxing fan...and your fight predictions are top notch..

    secondly, i can understand you saying that if someone is hurt, stop the fight. simple..
    but..i can see a senario where a boxer goes into a 'final' with a bad injury from the last bout, and was clearly not in the same competitive condition as he was at the start of the night, and is unable to defend himself properly...i know this could happen in round 10 of a regular 12 rounder....but a good ref would see a gradual decline in a fight, and maybe stop it...whereas a 'new' ref in a final wouldnt be looking at his condition as closely at the start of a final 3 rounder...
    i'm not explaining that well..but i hope you understnd what i'm trying to say there...

    for me..boxing is all about tatics...i dont think you can have a boxer going into these events poperly ready for possibly 8 different styles of opponent, not knowing which 3 he must face...that will confuse him more than anything trying to prepare for that...i would imagine...maybe i'm wrong.
     
  12. Chinny

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    I know what you're saying, its not for the purists, but I'm taking 5 mates along to it tonight, so in that sense it might open the sport up to new fans.
    Can't usually get them to go to a normal night of sat British title level fights :patsch
     
  13. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Fry is sooo good though! Pretty minging to watch but very clever and knows the sport inside out! Plus he was a better am then oakey but oakey was fighting bigger guys
     
  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I dunno about Fry. I'm not entirely convinced his style is great for this format, and to me he does NOT appear like a guy that loves the game. I can't imagine him wanting to go into the trenches, if somebody like Oakey comes all guns blazing for 3 rounds. I think he may get outfought.

    However he does have class and ability on his side.
     
  15. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    just enjoy it, it's something different and allows viewers to develop familiarity with the participants which is the key to the sports future!