Pro Boxers HUMILIATED at Olympics 2016!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gannicus, Aug 9, 2016.


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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You're totally missing my point mate.

    Clearly the person who beat Ruenrong is good enough to beat Ruenrong. That is absolutely beyond debate.

    I'm saying elite level amateurs, when they turn pro, need to be fighting at higher level from the get go. If they're good enough to beat former champions before making their pro debut why should they spend 4 years facing journey men level competition.I'm not suggesting the elite amateurs are already the best in the world, I'm saying they should be stepping up competition earlier.
     
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  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I never said Martin was elite. Get out of here with tour strawman.

    Ruenrong is undoubtedly elite, he's a bit past his best but he's the number 4 in the world today (well before today obviously). Just because you haven't heard of him does not detract from his resume and achievements.
     
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  4. Pimp C

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    That's a fair post then. Elite amateurs who have around 150 fights or more should be fighting better comp from the start, I can agree on that.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Exactly. Ruenrong might be getting on a bit but he is ranked top 4 in the world. If someone can beat him they should spend 20 fights facing men with losing records and borderline top 50 types.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So "elite" he was knocked out three months ago.

    :roll:
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    By a guy ranked in the top 3.

    Do you even follow boxing? I used to have you pegged as a half decent posted but some of the nonsense I've seen you spout this past month has made me rethink that assessment.

    If you did not class Ruenrong as one of the best Flyweights in the world it is down to pure ignorance.

    My original point still stands, elite amateurs should step up their level of competition much sooner and this further strengthens that point.
     
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  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    He WAS an elite pro because he's RETIRED now. He remained an elite fighter, losing in the FOURTH round to very good fighter. He then went to Olympics facing an average Olympian who has PADDED gloves. It was too fast paced for a pro like Ruenroeng who likes to slow the pace down (it was initially working in the first round), but Oumiha used the correct strategy that would bamboozle a pro (not just Ruenroeng), and Ruenroeng was stopped.

    Also, N'Dam lost because he was trying to sit on his punches more without fusing this with a different method of point scoring - a bad move in the 3 round amateur construct. Amateurs have trained to evade big shots and score points whenever someone tries to sit on their punches.

    The only boxer today I'm confident that would win Gold again is Lomachenko. Ward would have to change a fair amount to master that construct again. Until they adjust to 3 rounds and giving off the impression of winning rounds under the amateur construct again, Ward and Kovalev would most likely get beaten very, very soundly by Erislandy Savon.
    This construct doesn't suit Rigondeaux as much anymore.


    The weight issue:
    A pro boxers natural weight in professional boxing is that which they can make in next day weigh ins.
    A pro boxers natural weight in AIBA boxing is that which they can make in the same day weigh ins (basically fighting near their fight night weight).
    Add this to the fact that pro boxers usually go hard cutting weight and the most important training in training camps is at fight night weight, they are used to being at a lower weight

    (and they don't have to cut below fight night weight in AIBA).
    Some AIBA boxers are small for their weight class, too because there's a big difference between any given weight class.
     
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  9. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I wanted Roman Gonzalez to fight Ruenroeng, because a win against him would have been a great one for the history books, and would've made Roman Gonzalez compare even more favourably to the other Flyweights of old.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

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    You mean the guy who was just knocked out three months ago in a pro bout and just lost in the Olympics?

    :roll:

    The flyweight division sucks. You've got Roman Gonzalez and Brian Viloria - whose been around since Sultan Ibragimov turned pro.

    The pickings are mighty slim ... as proven by the fact that this guy you "swear" is elite is getting rolled by everyone this year (pro and amateur).

    As I said a couple times already, we know who the best pros are. And they aren't the pros losing in these Olympics.

    How did Roman Gonzalez do in the Olympics this year?

    Do you rate Ruenrong over Gonzalez? Hell no. He's not in his league.

    That's my point! So F*ck off.

    You just came into this thread to bait me and argue because I wouldn't argue with you in another thread. Goodbye.
     
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  11. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Your point is awful. Flyweight is one of the best in boxing right now AND VERY IMPORTANTLY you can see via eye test that the top boxers at Flyweight are amazing fighters, regardless of what you think of random Flyweight fighters for example.
     
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  12. Ramon Dekkers

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    Pro Boxing = Casino entertainment
    Open Boxing (Amateur) = Sport

    In amateur there isn't calculated mismatches. You fight everyone. Southpaw, Orthodox, Sluggers, Counterpuncher, Tall, Short guys..
     
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  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It isn't awful.

    Name the top pros in boxing? Here, I'll start. Golovkin. Now you go.

    Don't want to? Okay. Joshua. Now you go.

    Don't want to? Okay, Kovalev. Now you go.

    Don't want to? Okay, Roman Gonazalez. Now you go.

    Wake me up when your list includes the pros losing in these Olympics.

    The top pros aren't the guys losing in these Olympics. They are guys who are looking to revitalize their careers. I.E. NOT THE BEST PROS.
     
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  14. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Exactly. I'm watching Argialagos right now, the world number 1 at his weight, and I don't see anyone in the pros beating him under this AIBA construct.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    Gonzalez is on another level.

    I was in this thread before you.

    Grow up.
     
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