Problems I had with Frazier vs Foreman I

Agree 100%. :good

 

Wow. You guys are so hypocritical, I can hardly believe it!

When Ali clinches: "oh my God." "He does it way to much." "It's illegal." "The ref should disqualify him." "Without clinching, he would've definitely lost." "He's cheating."

When Foreman's flat out grabbing, pushing, and shoving: "It was part of the plan" "It was clever" "It was perfect for Frazier."

Wanna know what it was? It was illegal. Sorry but those statements you guys are saying, don't just automatically erase common boxing rules exclusively for Foreman and enforce them to anybody else.

 

Prime vs Prime it's a very different story. Win or lose, Frazier will do much better than he did in '73.
Frazier is not as easy to hit as many think. He was actually harder to hit than Tyson. If he can avoid some of ALI's punches, he can certainly avoid Foreman's Harder but SLOWER and LESS ACCURATE punches.
Another thing that should be added, contrary to popular belief, Frazier could alter his style. Frazier was known for his come forward style, but he didn't always just walk right into his opponents power range and try to beat them down. He countered, used his feet better and punched off the angles when pressured himself. He did this against Chuvalo, Quarry, Ellis and Bonavena in their rematch. Against Foreman, Joe thought that he could just out-smart and out-bully the bully and instead he got bullied around himself.
Chuvalo pressured Frazier and backed him up a couple of times in the fight. What did Joe do? He backed up, jabbed, countered and used his right hand more, and in better condition, showed the head movement against Chuvalo that he didn't against Foreman. Plus the fact that Chuvalo wasn't allowed to turn the match into a wrestling contest like Mercante allowed Foreman to do against Frazier. Now we all no there's a distinct difference in punching power between Chuvalo and Foreman, but not a whole lot of difference strength wise.
I know I'm in the minority in this one but I pick Frazier to survive the early rounds and break Foreman down with his relentless body attack.
Also The general consensus back then was Prime Frazier would've beaten Foreman. Back then he was overweight, shot, rusty and war torn.

 

Please don't insult my intelligence. The fighter that fought Ali and the fighter who fought Foreman were to very different people.
Frazier is not as easy to hit as many think. As I said, If he can avoid Muhammad Ali's punches, he can certainly avoid Forman's Harder but SLOWER and LESS ACCURATE punches.

Look at Frazier's condition, vs ALI and again vs Forman. Frazier was NEVER the same after the first ALI fight. Look at EVERY fight after and you will see. You MUST watch Each fight to see this. He was able to match and even beat Ali to the punch at times.

I was around at the time. The general consensus was that FOTC Frazier would've been able to take Foreman's punches and beat him.

 

I think I'd know if I was around back then thank you very much. Also what I stated was correct. That was the consensus back then If you really don't think Frazier made Ali miss, it's you who has the IQ of a third grader (if that high). Literally nobody was talking about Frazier's face. It was completely irrelevant. Come to think about it, literally NOBODY was talking to you. Go back to your fellow tysonites. This is between the big boys. You're out of you're depth. :hi:

 

When did I ever say this? Or even remotely imply it? Please don't put words in my mouth, I have no problem speaking for myself. But thanks, I appreciate it. :good

So irrelevant that you're commenting on it. I don't need spell check because unlike you, I know how to actually spell. Must be some weird ass 8 year olds. Seriously where the **** do you live? What eight year olds use the word hypocrite, imply, and irrelevant regularly in your vocabulary?

Are you just gonna keep on trolling? (Your usual mode)

Or are you actually gonna answer participate in this thread? Or better yet, actually argue what I said when you attempted to verbally attack me.

 

Once again, that doesn't just automatically excuse Foreman's shoving and make it legal.