Proof of Holyfield blatant cheating against Mike Tyson

If you want to show me all of these dirty fights and proof of Greb taking steroids Ill be happy to agree with you.

I love how people like to try to qualify Holyfield's cheating. Its fun to watch because you can go down his list of fights and see how blatant he was and then of course the whole steroid thing which allowed him to even compete at that weight and that level to begin with. Make Holyfield fight within the rules and without steroids he is a totally different and less effective fighter. You cant say the same thing about Tyson.

 

I haven't seen any Greb fights. He was cited as a dirty fighter by people who saw him.

Steroid use is not unusual or exceptional. Athletes have always looked to find an edge. And before steroids it was something else, stimulants, painkillers, cocaine, strychnine, brandy, caffeine, tinctures etc.

You seem to think Holyfield won his big fights by fouling. It's no more true of him than it is of Tyson. It's simply not true of either of them. And Lennox was no cleaner, nevermind Bowe who was probably the dirtiest of the lot.

 

Evander " billy goat " Holyfield was a real cheat. He perfected a way of coming in and making contact with the top of his head to the other fighters face look like an accident.

 

Does anyone really think Holyfield was a dirtier fighter than Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Marciano, Dempsey, Foreman ? That's a gallery of villains right there.
I'm not saying that makes it okay, but Holyfield gets singled out, perhaps because his achievements surprised a lot of people who always underrated him.

 

Oh like harry greb then. cool.

 

Yeah, and Ali and Wlad in their way.

Great fighters typically use the means necessary to win. They want to win more than anything else. Most of the ATGs were as dirty in their own way as they felt they could get away with.

 

I think the difference is that Holy was/is a deeply religious man with good image outsider the ring. We all know Tyson was a villian but with Holy it comes across has seriously hypocritical because of his religious views.

 

Well he did earn a living bashing people's heads, does this also make him a hypocrite?

 

Not really. As long as it's within the rules. I just think that outside from the hardcore boxing fans, Holyfield is seen as this squeaky clean guy. But of course he was as dirty as anyone.

 

spot on. and as far as the last sentence - indeed

 

Wait a minute, Tyson had two well-publicized religious conversions during his career. He found Christ around 1989, and found Islam in prison around 1994.

If you're trying to say people who express religious views are hypocrites, well yeah.

 

I'd say 9 out of 10 religious folk are....

 

I think American sports persons have always been marketed as "squeaky clean" as the default setting.
You really have to go some to forfeit it. R*pe convictions will generally do it. Traditionally speaking.

 

The best part is how the video-creator seems to think that the Illuminati are out to get him.

I imagine him making this from a basement lair somewhere in the Nevada desert, with unruly piles of fight films stacked along the walls alongside Roswell posters.

 

Point which cannot be debated is that holyfield cheated way more than Tyson in their actual encounters