Proof that Ortiz Quit

zfc · Sep 19, 2011

Outboxer said: ↑

You also have Floyd's behaviour -- putting his hands on Ortiz's throat at the weigh-in, fighting more aggressively than usual in the actual bout, and then exploding at Merchant in an even more extreme way than he did after the Baldomir match.

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This paragraph is very interesting and scrolling through the threads since the fight the points you make seem to be ignored.

Floyds whole demeanor for this fight is that of a man who has serious mental issues and could quite possibly be taking drugs.

Something is not right with Mayweather and he could be getting a bad reaction from the drugs.

left right left · Sep 19, 2011

He quit as soon as he threw that blatant head-butt. He was frustrated and done because of it. No patience.

They called him the young lion. But he was TOO young at 24 yrs of age. Better if he had been a 26-27 yr old young lion.

Techniques · Sep 19, 2011

The fight was bought nuff said

Chrystophilax · Sep 19, 2011

Outboxer said: ↑

Ortiz's behaviour was just strange in general.

He was getting outboxed and nailed, true, but he also seemed to land a few good shots in that fourth round and drove Floyd back into the ropes with his combinations. Then he decides to commit one of the most blatant possible fouls by literally leaping into a headbutt? After this he kisses Floyd on the cheek, apologises, and then apologises yet again, his defence completely down while in punching distance. Floyd lands a hook, Ortiz STILL doesn't put his guard up or even try to evade more blows but instead just looks at Cortez. Floyd appears to pause for a moment, as if to assess the situation, then throws that right hand and floors him. Ortiz is all smiley afterwards and doesn't seem to care much about the fact that he was just knocked out by a cheap shot.

You also have Floyd's behaviour -- putting his hands on Ortiz's throat at the weigh-in, fighting more aggressively than usual in the actual bout, and then exploding at Merchant in an even more extreme way than he did after the Baldomir match.

It was just a bizarre night. If Ortiz DID quit, then it wasn't after the sucker punch...it was when he launched himself into that obvious headbutt. He didn't try to conceal it or slip it in -- it was like a kid lashing out on the playground, knowing the consequences but doing it anyway. The fact that he kept apologising and never tried to defend himself also seems to indicate that, at that point, he just didn't want to be in the ring anymore. It's weird, but that's the only way I can make sense of it all. Ortiz seems to be someone like Judah, who just has unpredictable mental meltdowns. Even when he's upset or crushed he covers it up with a big grin and tries to sound completely casual. (Apparently he broke down and was crying in his changing room after the fight?)
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This. By far the smartest comment I've heard on the fight so far. Andre Ward said that he's [that is, Andre Ward is] like Mayweather -- everyone thinks they can beat you, but when they get in the ring it turns out to be no fun. Ortiz expected to be able to win, and it turned out that fighting Mayweather is no fun at all. So he quit. And don't say that he's not a quitter because he fought hard against Berto, because it's easy to give your all when giving your all will lead to victory. It's difficult to do so when it's almost certain it will still lead to defeat.

this_and_that · Sep 19, 2011

MrWonderful said: ↑

Only truth is:

1: Floyd hits a lot harder than you give him credit.

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And this is in reference to his "KO" of Ortiz?:rofl

Fan88 · Sep 19, 2011

Ortiz is the hispanic Judah. . .breaks down when he faces adversity.

The Berto fight was simply a fluke, and an inspired, one-time performance from Victor.

It's clear now that the Berto heroics was definetely an exception and is not what you should expect from Victor in future.

this_and_that · Sep 19, 2011

Peter Brit said: ↑

I agree with Outboxer.

I certainly think Ortiz was looking for a way out.
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Or maybe he took a dive. Just sayin'.

kingarthur82 · Sep 19, 2011

Good win for Floyd. I totally agree that Ortiz quit. Ortiz knew that the end was near; he was in bad shape and was looking to be knocked out in around the 5th - 7th rounds (IMHO). He quit the same way against Maidana. This fight reminded me of Mayweather vs Judah, when Floyd started really taking over the fight and Zab knew that he was about to get knocked out, afterwards he threw the low blow and then the fiasco started...this gave Judah enough time to recover himself to be able to go the distance. I think Ortiz could have gotten up but decided not to because 1) he knew he could not win and was really feeling the affects of those right hands 2) to get knocked out like that would let him off the hook of being legitimately knocked out or badly beaten, which was inevitable; since he wanted to quit anyways, the 2-punch combo was his way out.

darcus112 · Sep 19, 2011

Outboxer said: ↑

Ortiz's behaviour was just strange in general.

He was getting outboxed and nailed, true, but he also seemed to land a few good shots in that fourth round and drove Floyd back into the ropes with his combinations. Then he decides to commit one of the most blatant possible fouls by literally leaping into a headbutt? After this he kisses Floyd on the cheek, apologises, and then apologises yet again, his defence completely down while in punching distance. Floyd lands a hook, Ortiz STILL doesn't put his guard up or even try to evade more blows but instead just looks at Cortez. Floyd appears to pause for a moment, as if to assess the situation, then throws that right hand and floors him. Ortiz is all smiley afterwards and doesn't seem to care much about the fact that he was just knocked out by a cheap shot.

You also have Floyd's behaviour -- putting his hands on Ortiz's throat at the weigh-in, fighting more aggressively than usual in the actual bout, and then exploding at Merchant in an even more extreme way than he did after the Baldomir match.

It was just a bizarre night. If Ortiz DID quit, then it wasn't after the sucker punch...it was when he launched himself into that obvious headbutt. He didn't try to conceal it or slip it in -- it was like a kid lashing out on the playground, knowing the consequences but doing it anyway. The fact that he kept apologising and never tried to defend himself also seems to indicate that, at that point, he just didn't want to be in the ring anymore. It's weird, but that's the only way I can make sense of it all. Ortiz seems to be someone like Judah, who just has unpredictable mental meltdowns. Even when he's upset or crushed he covers it up with a big grin and tries to sound completely casual. (Apparently he broke down and was crying in his changing room after the fight?)
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Best post I have read concerning the fight.

BrooklynMumin · Sep 19, 2011

that boy wasnt close to getting up. Noodle rattled. it wouldve taken anyone more than 10 seconds to get up.

jiggity · Sep 19, 2011

Here is the article. Robert Garcia claims Ortiz is a quitter.

http://fighthype.com/pages/content10772.html

Cableaddict · Sep 19, 2011

this_and_that said: ↑

Or maybe he took a dive. Just sayin'.
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Yup. I think that's a very strong probability.

see: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10750570#post10750570

REEVO · Sep 19, 2011

I think Ortiz desrerved what he got to be honest, ****ing could of done some damage on money with that head butt......... As far as im concerned if i was Floyd and someone stuck the nut on me i would ****ing be well pissed.... What happened with Larry well thats a different story... :nono

Ortez never quit just got taken out by a punch he never see coming Mayweather has vewry underated power.

Kid Presentable · Sep 19, 2011

Outboxer said: ↑

Ortiz's behaviour was just strange in general.

He was getting outboxed and nailed, true, but he also seemed to land a few good shots in that fourth round and drove Floyd back into the ropes with his combinations. Then he decides to commit one of the most blatant possible fouls by literally leaping into a headbutt? After this he kisses Floyd on the cheek, apologises, and then apologises yet again, his defence completely down while in punching distance. Floyd lands a hook, Ortiz STILL doesn't put his guard up or even try to evade more blows but instead just looks at Cortez. Floyd appears to pause for a moment, as if to assess the situation, then throws that right hand and floors him. Ortiz is all smiley afterwards and doesn't seem to care much about the fact that he was just knocked out by a cheap shot.

You also have Floyd's behaviour -- putting his hands on Ortiz's throat at the weigh-in, fighting more aggressively than usual in the actual bout, and then exploding at Merchant in an even more extreme way than he did after the Baldomir match.

It was just a bizarre night. If Ortiz DID quit, then it wasn't after the sucker punch...it was when he launched himself into that obvious headbutt. He didn't try to conceal it or slip it in -- it was like a kid lashing out on the playground, knowing the consequences but doing it anyway. The fact that he kept apologising and never tried to defend himself also seems to indicate that, at that point, he just didn't want to be in the ring anymore. It's weird, but that's the only way I can make sense of it all. Ortiz seems to be someone like Judah, who just has unpredictable mental meltdowns. Even when he's upset or crushed he covers it up with a big grin and tries to sound completely casual. (Apparently he broke down and was crying in his changing room after the fight?)
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totally agree he wanted out of there. that was the worst headbutt ive ever seen. i mean in the sense it looked so obvious.

If Ortiz had got up and fought on what would people be saying about this now?

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