Props to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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  1. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Yeah, Mosley wouldn't be put in Baldomir's category if he were 83 instead of 38. But I supported Floyd's choice to fight Baldomir because Baldomir was the linear champion. If Mayweather and Pacquiao both win, I think they have to fight for their to be a linear champion.
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I've got your boy's back here dude, but let's not pretend Baldomir was anything put a paper champion. Mosley would beat the ever-lovin' **** out of any version of Baldomir, and you know it. Shane is a legitimate challenge.
     
  3. BigReg

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    Baldomir wasn't a great fighter, but there's no way in hell you can call him a paper champ. He beat the undisputed champ in order to get his title. To be the man, you have to beat the man. That's what Baldomir did. He wasn't a great fighter, or much of a challenge to Floyd, but he certainly wasn't a paper champ.
     
  4. FORMIDABLE

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    All I will say is that it's about bloody time!

    Props to both fighters for making this fight.


    As for Rivaldo, that hat-trick against Valencia was certainly the greatest I've ever seen..possibly the greatest one man display in a game ever, considering what was riding on the game and the revenue Barca would go on to earn due to gaining that final Champion League's spot.

    It was sickening to see Barca discard him like a used kleenex the followng season after all he did for them. Rivaldo had so many great performances, won so many games for Barca. He deserved better than to be chucked out because Van Gaal didn't rate him, who they'd sacked before and would do so again soon after.

    They like to ***** about Figo betraying them, they've betayed quite a few star players themselves, before and after that. ****in hypocrites. Karma's a *****. Messi better not think because he's shown such loyalty to them that they will reciprocate that loyalty. They will have no hesitation in getting rid of him when they see fit to let him go.
     
  5. EpsilonAxis

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  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    ...He was there for the taking, and Luis Collazo and Andre Berto would have both embarassed him too. Just trying to get a little perspective on things.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Absolutely.

    Rivaldo may have been the greatest player to have ever worn a Barcelona shirt and considering the team's history, that is a huge deal. He scored at an alarmingly high rate with 85-86 goals in something like 157 appearances. He made goals, he scored them, and the game against Valencia was a make or break result for them. It's a disaster if a team like Barcelona don't get into the Champions League. The win earned them somewhere in the region of 8 million, and Rivaldo single-handedly come up with all three goals by himself. Astonishing player, under appreciated by all.
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    That's fine, but you're completely miss using the term "paper champ". Baldomir was solid fighter who worked his ass of, got his shot, and made the most of it. The undisuted championship is the most legtimate championship out there. That's the title Baldo attained. He was the complete opposite of a paper champ. A paper champ is someone who gets a title without beating the champ. Cotto is way more talented than Baldo. However, his WBO belt was a paper title. He didn't beat the recognized champ, or any champ for that matter, in order to get that title. Oh yeah, Collazo and Berto would not have embarresed Baldo. Clottey, Judah, Gatti, and Forrest couldn't even embarress him.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    You're milking it now mate. Baldomir was a disaster. I appreciate his work ethic and I recognize that he did indeed beat Zab Judah, but he's one of the worst undisputed title holders in the history of the game. Paper champions, by it's very definition, would have usually been more talented and capable than a Carlos Baldomir. He pulled a rabbit out of a hat and the rabbit was holding world championship belts.
     
  10. BigReg

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    You're not getting it. Being a paper champ has nothing to do with talent. It has everything to do with how you attained your title. Joe Frazier is a HOFer. However, when he first got his title, he was considered a paper champ. He was called this because everyone considered Ali to be the real champ and he didn't beat Ali to get that title. On the other hand, Buster Douglas was a glorified journeymen. However, he was not a paper champ. The reason for this is because he beat the undisputed champ in order to get his title.
     
  11. BigReg

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    I'm sorry, but you don't seem to understand what is meant by being called a paper champ. And if Baldo was such a disaster, he would've never beaten Judah. He would've never beaten Gatti. He would've never gone 7 years without a loss. He would've never held his own against Clottey and Vernon Forrest. He was a solid fighter.
     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    :huh No..really, I do get it. I get it. But you're milking it. The whole point of my post as you could tell in it's tone is that Baldomir and Mosley aren't comparable. I don't care how legitimate his titles were, he'd struggle to beat anyone in the top 10 at 147 today. The win means absolutely nothing for Floyd's legacy, and is indicative of just how meaningless titles have become in the modern era.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    ...No...I do get it. Baldomir wasn't a paper champion by it's definition...he was worse.
     
  14. BigReg

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    I'm sorry but you're way off. Winning the undisputed championship will do something for anyone's legacy. Look how Pac is being propped up because he's a 7 division champ and 4 time lineal champ. Does anyone give a **** who he beat to get those titles? Hell no. And Baldo had just beat Judah for god sakes. Judah was a top 10 p4p fighter at that time. Go scan Cotto's record. You'll see that Judah is probably his third best win, and that was after Baldo beat him. Baldo had a lot of losses but most of those losses happened when he was a part time fighter, and was selling feather dusters instead of training.
     
  15. BigReg

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    This doesn't even make sense.