Prospect outboxes Prime Robo-Kessler!! Calzaghe's resume takes a Big Hit

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  1. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the ref hadn't been so lax in allowed Kessler to be hit repeatedly the fight would likely have turned out differently. A more impartial ref, willing to step in and prevent Ward from hitting Kessler would have done wonders.
     
  2. session9

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    I say/do something, you regard it as unfair, so you reverse it and repeat it. QED.

    Edit: incidentally, I can't see any problem with Ward hitting Kessler in the normal course of events. Ward repeatedly hitting Kessler on the break is a different matter, and deserved some attention by the referee.

    One more thing: I'm a casual boxing viewer, not a fanatic or anything. I would suggest that turning off such viewers is counter-productive in the long term. Some people probably get off on the intrigue and controversy, but most probably just want to see a fair fight instead, especially in relation to the officiating. If two fighters are light-years apart in terms of ability etc, that's their decision to fight each other, and there can be a certain freakshow element that is appealing to something like Haye-Valuev. But if blatant illegal tactics are in use by one guy, and the officials are turning a blind eye to them? Not so appealing, unless you always rooted for the gangsters in those old black & white movies where formerly proud fighters are invariably told to "take a dive in the fourth".
     
  3. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    :rofl Yeah, let's not get carried away with age making any difference.

    Let's see ... 40, 50, no big thing ...

    Jermain Taylor gets two close decisions (one a SD) over a 40 1/2 and a 41 year old Hopkins.

    Joe Calzaghe gets a split decision over a 43 year old Hopkins.

    BHOP is about eleven years younger than Marvin Hagler. You think Bernard would be proud of a decision of any kind if he was in his early 30s and Hagler was in his early 40s?

    The difference is that Hopkins or any elite athlete wouldn't be calling or touting that as an accomplishment.

    To some dude on the internet .. well that is a whole different thing - and understandable I suppose. :lol:
     
  4. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hey Rums. :good

    I agree with #3.

    #2 remains to be seen. If so, Ward will not reach the potential of a Chad Dawson type fighter, for he is not as talented, IMO.

    #1 is flat out wrong! Kessler was Calzaghe's biggest win, and with this loss, it puts a prime Kessler into perspective: a robotic fighter who is nowhere near the top 15 P4P, even at his best.

    If that is your best win, you have a shitty resume. :yep
     
  5. horst

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    Good point!
     
  6. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because Kessler was exposed as an average beltholder, not an elite fighter at all. :deal

    Also, Ward fought a lot differently than Calzaghe, so he didn't exactly "follow a blueprint". What he did do, however, was outbox Kessler more convincingly than Calzaghe did.
     
  7. Buggo

    Buggo Active Member Full Member

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    On first impressions I would agree, but Kessler will fight again in big fights, and may impress. And who knows how far Ward will go.

    So I don’t think this really affects Calzaghe’s resume all that much, it was weak anyway!
     
  8. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    funny the hate the Americans have for Joe.

    A win for one of their fighters who becomes world champ vs a danish guy turns into a discussion about Calzaghe
     
  9. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Indeed, but seeing as how it was the Calzaghe fans who were endlessly hyping Kessler, it is nice to see them having to eat some crow. :cool:
     
  10. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    epic fail.

    Calzaghe wasnt hugging his opponent at every opportunity and headbutting.

    PLUS...Kessler was undefeated at the time. I could go on but i cant be bothered.

    Once again...i give credit to Ward and i'll leave it at that
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :good

    I think he could be better than Chad. He seemed like a seasoned vet in there against Kessler.

    If nothing else, I think Ward has a much more entertaining style than Chad. For all of Dawson's skills, his fights lack that certain something. Ward, on the other hand, seems to have a flare for the dramatic.

    I do not believe that Kessler was his biggest win--Hopkins was.

    Kessler was his 2nd or 3rd best win.

    Regardless, I see the point you're trying to make. For years, I would laugh whenever someone tried telling me that Kessler would "school" Hopkins. As if!

    :lol:
     
  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    And Ward was? PLEASE!!

    Ward proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Kessler is not in his league.

    :smoke
     
  13. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just so we're clear on this, Ward NEVER hit Kessler on the break. Hitting on the break is when the Ref steps in to separate the two fighters and one fighter hits the other while the ref is separating and resetting them. If the Ref has not stepped in you can and should keep swinging. It's perfectly legal and DUMB not to. As long as there is room to work fighters are encouraged to fight their way out of a clinch, which is what Ward did. Kessler didn't want to fight out, he wanted to take a couple of steps back to his preferred range, reset his feet, and start fighting. There was no onus on Ward to allow that and Ward did the smart thing, which was to hit Kessler as he tried to move outside, and then immediately close distance again.
     
  14. Rumsfeld

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    Exactly.

    Ward fought like a seasoned pro and did what he had to do.
     
  15. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    The problem here is, instead of saying "Wow, Ward could turn out to be great" - you're all attempting to knock Calzaghe.

    Cmon guys, don't be so pathetic.

    Eubank, Hopkins, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Sheika, Mitchell, Mkertchian, Starie - all fighters that continue to assure Joe's place when combined wtih his 20+ defenses, 45 wins without ever being defeated, etc.