Provodnikov should be undefeated

Man in you're eyes every black fighter cheats right? Why does it always have to be about race with you.? You tell so many lies so most people think you are in the klan.

 

...yeah, they sprang up a little, after both arms came down while they wrestled for control. They had to be down in the first place to come up, didn't they? Bradley dove inward on Provodnikov to hold around his waist, and Provodnikov brought his arms down into his back to prevent that. All this resulted in Bradley ricocheting from the impact and his own diving momentum onto the ground.

Bradley went down not in a delayed reaction to Provodnikov's overhand right (though it certainly played a part and was the reason his balance was so decrepit) but directly because of that rough bit of interplay from 6:03 through 6:04, where Bradley was frantically scrabbling for a hold and Provodnikov was doing all he could to wrestle him off and push him away.

You don't credit a knockdown when a punch has a guy all wobbly but only partially factors into him going down as he is wrestled out of a clinch...even if he would have probably fallen had he not initiated that clinch. I don't know that any rulebook on earth covers such a scenario with this kind of contextual specificity, but it really is common sense.

Bradley was ROCKED, and if he weren't able to have grabbed Provodnikov around 6:01/6:02 he would have gone down either of his own accord or with Provodnikov tapping him one more time with literally anything, even a jab would have done it, or a stiff breeze from the Home Depot Center's ventilation system. Once that moment passed, however, the statute of limitations of crediting the punch for Bradley going down was over. He did successfully hold Provodnikov for at least that full second before Provodnikov got in that extra little hook. Bradley ate it and dove in to reposition and hold again, but Provodnikov was now hip to his plan and dropped both arms down on his back - the right hand parlayed with extra force off that missed chop at the head - and it was because of their combined motions; Bradley going in, Provodnikov's arms down, that he was plunked down.

The initial OH right did affect his balance, certainly for that entire next sequence of 4-5 seconds, and probably the rest of the round, and probably the rest of the damn night - but it wasn't the cause of Bradley going down.

 

Right as the Youtube counter switches from 6:03 to 6:04, Provodnikov does push down with both arms off that missed clubbing right late in 6:03.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIlVQO71PbQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=362

Bradley has his back arched and is pressing in on Provodnikov to hold, and bucks up just as Provodnikov pushes down with both arms. Bradley then bounces downward. Provodnikov then jerks his elbows up & inward/behind his own back after Bradley has already slid onto his knees. Do you really not see that? :huh

Regardless, we could sit here and quibble all day, the bottom line is that Bradley was hurt by the initial OH right, badly enough to be dropped - but managed not to be dropped by it. His survival instinct kicked in and he was able to hold in that first couple of seconds after receiving the blow. Outside that couple of seconds, we are no longer talking about Bradley going down as the direct result of that punch - hence it can't be ruled a knockdown. There was too much interference, too much else going on, too much roughhousing between them all transpiring between him getting caught and going down. If anything, the ref calling it a knockdown would have been a stretch and the call would have been justly criticized even though Bradley was obviously very badly hurt by the punch and would have been legitimately knocked down (or even out) if he were unable to dive in and grab Provodnikov in that first instant.

 

Against Bradley, If it was still a 13 rd fight Prov couldve won the fight.

 

You mean 15?

I don't recall there ever being 13-rounders, outside maybe Central America where they do the odd # thing.

Anyway, I agree. Having fought it during the 12-round era is just one reason among many that Bradley was lucky that night. (lucky he was able to hold and stall Provodnikov in time before getting finished off late in the 1st; lucky the ref didn't jump the gun and rule that a knockdown, lucky he survived all his subsequent macho bull**** ignoring Joel Diaz's advice to continue going to war...lucky the judges didn't overvalue Provodnikov's aggression...etc)

 

Dumb as hell to say it wasn't a kd. Fact is the guy could not support himself and fell not once but twice. Without any foul by ruslan or any injury to bradley other than those caused by legal punches. Are we supposed to let obviously hurt fighters just fall at random n not call kd's? The fight shoulda been waved off at that point. And bradley wouldn't have been trippin over his own feet n slurring his words for 2 months afterwards.

 

He was outboxed. .. badly

 

I saw a KD.

(In fact I saw two KDs.)

In the first round, after Timmy ws staggered by the big right, he was hit with a smaller left, and he only stayed upright by grabbing Ruslan.

Ruslan's 'push' was basically just a "get-the-****- off- me dude, and stand on your own legs"
And Timmy wasn't able to stand.

KD


Timmy got up, did an imitation of Zab, and fell again.

In fact, the ref would have been within the rules and precedents to have stopped the contest right there.




Later, when only the ropes kept Tim from falling, another KD (eight count) was in order.


Tim did very well to somehow make it to the final bell, but IMO, he lost the fight.

 

Ruslan Provodknikov is half man and half Wild Beast.

He has attack bonus in his fists against american based fighters.

Man.

 

Dumb as hell to call anything other than a knockdown a knockdown.

Bradley didn't fall as a direct result of the punch, full stop.

He almost did - and when he did ultimately go down it was a confluence of factors including having been hurt and getting his brain scrambled and balance affected by that initial punch - but the shot was only part of the sequence of events that led to him going down and not the direct cause, hence Russell's no-call being correct.


Sorry if this idea has a little too much subtle nuance for you, but a knockdown is only a knockdown if a legal blow directly causes a fighter to fall. Yes, sometimes delayed reaction knockdowns are ruled - but generally in those cases there is no subsequent physical contact between guy who gets hit and his opponent, and the downed party sort of just wobbles/staggers in place for a moment before succumbing. Here, there were two clinch attempts made - one successful, the next unsuccessful, buffering the big punch Bradley got hit with from him going down. Too much interference, too much time passed. That didn't qualify as a delayed reaction knockdown, even though he was extremely hurt and could barely stay up without grabbing.

 

IB, you have been spot on with your analysis. If Prov had taken a step back Bradley may have fallen after that first shot. However, he made the classic mistake of smothering Bradley when he hurt him allowing him to hang on. If he learned from this he will have better judgement and use proper spacing and distance in future fights

 

:good