Provodnikov vs Matthysse vs Maidana vs Rios - Who Wins this Tourney?

Maidana got shut out 12 rounds against Alexander. Dropped 3 times by Ortiz. Nearly stopped by Lopez. Arguably beaten by a shot Morales.

Oh please.

And Mathysee went life and death with a shot Judah. Also Rios TKO Alvarado, Alvarado > Herrera, Herrera > Garcia, Garcia > Mathysee. I know A>B>C doesn't mean much but all those guys are obviously in or around the same level as each other, thats why they're beating each other. Guys above their level don't lose to them, ie pbf, pac, jmm, bradley.

 

Rios is fcking shite one of the worst boxers I've ever seen just a plodder. it's a shame you rate Maidana so badly. Your loss. I give Diego Chaves a good shot to beat Bum Bum...

 

You fail at explaining your opinion.

Styles makes fights. Learn it. Who has outslugged Rios? What happened when Alvarado tried to slug with Rios? What did Alvarado do to Herrera? What did Herrera do to Garcia? What are the styles of the boxers in this poll? Slicksters?

And results are results, its not about underrating Maidana, we've see it first hand. We know he can be hurt. So simple logic, what happens when he CANT hurt a guy, but a guy can hurt him? Again. Styles makes fights.

 

Margarito was also just a plodder, but nobody was beating that fcker in a slugging match. Unless your name is Shane Mosley and can throw haymaker bombs. A prime foreman was a plodder ffs.

 

The rest of Rios's career will do my explaining lol.

 

So you lack simple logic and basic analytical ability. Congrats.

 

Rios is not bigger than Maidana
Rios is not tougher than Maidana
Rios does not hit harder than Maidana
Rios has way less experience than Maidana
Rios has never faced a guy as big as Maidana
Maidana has a much better record
Maidana is not as bad a boxer as you like to think...Garcia has turned that around...but Garcia can't do sht for Rios.

Rios may have a better chin...that's about it. But chin isn't what will lose Maidana that fight it's his body. Rios's best chance is the break Maidana down with bodyshots...But guess what Rios ain't good at that either.

You're talking about how Alexander dominated Maidana...so what? we are talking about Rios here. I thought I knew what a brawler/slugger/plodder was...Rios has redefined these terms...

 

Maidana is the smartest of the bunch and has a good jab. He'd decision Lucas, stop Prov, and esp stop Rios with bodyshots. Just like Lucas did in sparring. Lucas is a small guy, but with big power.

 

1) They both came in to the ring huge. Maidana at 165lbs, Rios at 159lbs. Now given that was Rios first fight at WW, it stands to reason that he will probably be coming in around 160+ in the near future, meaning they are both around the same weight.

2)Rios IS tougher than Maidana. We saw Ortiz drop Maidana. We saw Khan drop Maidana. We saw a shot 4 weights above prime Morales HURT Maidana. We saw Lopez nearly stop Maidana. We have NEVER seen Rios hurt, after facing Alvarado and Pacquiao. - So using logic, in what planet of reasoning can you claim Maidana is tougher than Rios?

3)Both hit hard. We saw Rios hurt Alvarado, more so with 1 shot than Provodnikov did. Maidana may have an edge but not much. In a battle of styles, if both hit hard, but 1 can be hurt, and the other can't, and neither men "box", who wins?

4-6) Irrelevant to the match. When both men go in there trading bombs, experience & boxing skill wont matter too much, it comes down to, "Can you take my shots, and can I take yours?". Look at Foreman-Frazier, Frazier had experience, better record, better skill - Didn't matter. Stylistically, both hit hard, but Foreman could take whatever Frazier was giving, Frazier could not take what Foreman was giving.

 

Forgot to mention

Maidana is better conditioned
Maidana has a higher workrate if he needs it.


Alvarado didn't hurt Rios? Rios was out on his feet numerous times... "your eyes deceive you max"..lmao

Imagine if Alvarado tried to go toe to toe with Maidana? or just fight him the same way he did with Rios switching between infighting and boxing on the outside. Maidana would annihilate him either way.

 

What you fail to realize is that guys like Alexander, Khan, Broner, Ortiz would be some of the best fighters Rios, Ruslan, & Matthysse have been in with. The only fighter on that level Rios or Provodnikov have been in with is Pacquiao & Bradley and both lost as well that's only top level fighter those two have been in with than factor in Maidana's inprovements since working with Garcia just because Rios can walk through LW's doesn't mean he does it to big strong Welters

 

You failed to address my points. I dont care about Alexander results shutting down Maidana, because with these 4 matches, its a slugfest and the boxing skills will rarely matter. It will come down to who can "dish it, and take it", clearly Mathysee, Prov and Rios are above Maidana in that department.

Also Provodnikov arguably beat Bradley, and Bradley is well above Broner, Khan, Alexander and Ortiz. Like I said in my earlier post, you can tell what level of fighter someone is based on who they are losing to, they all lose to each other. The guy above their level don't lose to them, but may lose to guys on that level.

Example:

Level 2:
Provodnikov>Alvarado>Hererra>Garcia>Mathysee>Judah
Alexander>Maidana>Ortiz=Peterson

Now stepping to level 1:
Bradley > Provodnikov, Bradley>Alexander, Bradley>Peterson

Can you see that at level 2, they all swapping names beating each other. However when any of them step up to a level 1 fighter like Bradlye, they all come short? We know Rios is a level 2 fighter based on the fact that he stopped Alvarado who is obviously in that level 2 mix, but loses when he steps up to level 1 fighters.

Then you have Bradley losing to guys like Pacquiao, someone on his level or above.

There are always wildcards, for example Amir Khan. Amir Khan can lose to a C level fighter and beat an A level fighter, thats because his chin throws inconsistency to results. There are also fighters who just has someones number, ie JMM. JMM shouldn't be losing to Bradley or Chris John nor struggling with Casamayor or Juan Diaz if we go by his results against Pac. Same case with how Ken Norton use to give Ali hell but didnt replicate similar results against other fighters.

 

I agree, its MUCH easier to outbox Rios than it is to outbox Maidana. Maidana has a rush in wild style that makes him difficult to predict to try avoid punches and counter. However, again that is irrelevant because Rios isn't trying to outbox Maidana, and Maidana isn't trying to outbox Rios.

It will come down to a brawl, and I think Rios wins a brawl given the fact that Maidana is chinny and Rios isn't.


I don't remember Rios being hurt badly, though they were throwing bombs and Rios would often take 1 clean and smile knowing he felt that.

Besides, these guys already know who would take who, though Maidana has an advantage in sparring because his headgear is protecting his chinny chin. This is the kinda fight it will be, ain't nobody trying to outbox each other.

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It's interesting to Note Bradley said Matthysee hits way harder than provo and thats him taking it easy on Bradley also they both were wearing 22oz gloves and headgear



We know Matthysse can handle power punchers but can ruslan because he will be hit