Psychotherapist Explains How A Boxer Can Defeat An Opponent Before The Fight

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  1. Beatle

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    He focuses on Muhammad Ali, a clinical case of narcissistic personality disorder.
    Intriguing stuff, guys!

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  2. There Will Be Blood

    There Will Be Blood #TheMedicalTeam #750 banned Full Member

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    Give us bullets of the all the major points.
     
  3. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali did not have a classic case of NPD. Not at all. Narcissists lack the empathy that Ali had always shown. He was compassionate and understood people. He was confident and a showman, not a clinical narcissist. Donald Trump is an example of a textbook narcissist (just using him as an example).
     
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  4. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Good stuff, I love this kind of thing. Always interesting to explore and analyze someone's psyche, the reason they behave the way they do.
     
  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Reaching ain't he?

    You can't just disregard Ali's skill.

    Ali was mentally one of the toughest SOB's...but his boxing skill and toughness were top tier.

    Frazier was also a mental giant...he didn't care at all for ali's antics.
     
  6. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I met Ali once in a private setting and found him to be quiet and thoughtful. He was completely different from his public persona.
     
  7. Beatle

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    It's easy to say great things about him when you never knew him. Ask his kids (that he had from various ex-wives) what they think of him. It was always about Muhammad Ali, and no one else. He had kids living in near-poverty while he always did quite well for himself. That's narcissism at its finest.

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  8. Faceplant

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    Haye is almost certainly still shaking with anger at Bellews antics as we speak. I smell an upset this weekend.
     
  9. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I met him and didn't find him narcissistic in the least. It is also easy to say bad things about someone when you never knew them.
     
  10. Beatle

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    Ali was a great person for complete strangers, which is why 99.9999% of the world's population think he was great.

    It's his wives and kids that he wasn't good for.
     
  11. Beatle

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    I'm actually not saying anything about him: I'm merely reporting what his kids and ex-wives have said about him. You, on the other hand, are just guessing about him.
     
  12. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We are talking about narcissism aren't we? You can be a lousy parent and spouse without being narcissistic. This psychoanalyst more than likely never met Ali and yet can go into depth about a personality disorder he supposedly has? I would have more confidence in his analysis if he had actually met the man.
     
  13. Beatle

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    Actually, so much of Ali's life was documented on film that lots of people consider him a narcissist. A common factor in narcissists is that they can't keep a relationship for a long time.

    Narcissists are control freaks. Having a relationship implies a give-and-take and a train of compromises which the narcissist acutely interprets to mean a loss of control over his life. To reassert control, the narcissist initiates other relationships in which he dictates the terms of engagement (love affairs).

    A narcissist can never be a good parent because that would mean putting his children before himself.

    Muhammad Ali had kids and ex-wives scattered all over the country, and never even gave some of them the time of day. Does it really surprise you that Dr. ********* calls Ali a narcissist?
     
  14. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not disputing anything you said about narcissism but do you agree that the above can also be said for personality disorders besides narcissism?
     
  15. Peppermint

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    I can't comment on how he was as a parent or husband. I had a classic narcissist in my family, who was beloved in his community, but terrible to his family. He cared about his image and was a great talker, but he didn't have depth. Ali was clearly a man with depth. He was insightful and curious by nature. He understood people and had a warmth to him. Narcissists are seldom warm and understanding people. If he wasn't great to his kids, that could be attributed to how he grew up or other factors, not necessarily a personality disorder. And by no means was he perfect or without flaws.