Pugilatu Confessionis: For Your Favorite Fighters, Who Are The Opponents You Most Fear?

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  1. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    terry flanagan - no one
     
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jorge Linares I suppose. He's put some real distance between himself and his last in ring disaster. I don't want to see him laid out by someone with a quarter of his talent (Again)
     
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  3. Jake LaMotta

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    Ward - Bivol. Although I'd have loved to have seen the fight.
    Bivol - Gvozdyk and vice versa although I will jizz my pants when the fight happens in a few years.
    Usyk - Gassiev. I love Gassiev too but Usyk is my boy and he needs to stay fresh and preserved to hand those bums at HW a slapping.
    Eubank Jr - Groves in a stink fest.
    Spence - Thurman eeking out a sh*tty decision.
    Murata - Getting caught by some wildcard like Lemieux.
    Lara - Canelo at 160.
    Bud Crawford - Someone like Garcia to left hook his ass back down to 140.
    GRJ - Selby to stink out the place.
    Inoue - SSR.
    Estrada - Inoue.
    Rigo - Lomachenko. It's all going to end in tears in December and the greatest talent of all time will be laughed all the way into retirement and obscurity.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm trying to clear up a misconception that it was Smith that headbutted Williams, which is what caused the damage and stopped the fight. I provided you with the critical instant replay that shows the full context of what happened. It shows very clearly that Williams headbutted Smith first, and it looked very intentional. You indicated that you disagreed with that, yet the footage makes this fact abundantaly clear.

    What is it that you are "disagreeing" about? You can plainly see that it was Williams who headbutted Smith first, and it looked to be intentional. This happened with 28 seconds left in the 9th round. Then, 3 seconds later, Smith retaliated with a headbutt of his own.

    In between that, the replay I provided shows that Williams eye started bleeding after Williams headbutt but before Smith's headbutt. You said you disagreed with me about that, which I couldn't understand since the video is so clear. It's a critical replay because from the other camera angles and from the live video of the round, it's hard to really notice Williams headbutt, and you can't see his eye bleeding and him blinking before the Smith headbutt due to the camera angle. I took the time to provide you with a better angle which I thought you would appreciate to see what really happened, yet even with the footage, you continued to deny what occurred, something that can clearly be seen thanks to that great camera angle. It was frustrating to hear you continue to deny that Williams headbutt occurred, and continue to bad mouth Liam Smith. Smith had every right to be mad after fighting a guy that had been known for headbutts, and during the fight when Smith starts to take control of the fight, his opponent headbutted him out of nowhere and hard I might add, but in the process cuts his eyelid, then Smith is being blamed for headbutting Williams and causing the cut when clearly the cut was caused by Williams headbutt.

    You and plenty of people haven't paid close enough attention to what happened, and you're blaming the "wrong guy" (Smith) for doing headbutts. You told me that I needed to rewatch the fight, yet it's you that needed to rewatch the fight since you didn't see what actually happened. I showed you what happened and you continued to deny what happened not wanting to admit you were wrong. It's true that Smith retaliated with a headbutt of his own, but only after Williams decided to headbutt Smith which is what caused the terrible cut that Williams sustained and the stoppage. Anotherwords, Williams decided to fight dirty, by headbutting Smith, and he cut himself in the process. Smith only fought dirty in retaliation, with a headbutt of his own. Smith's headbutt didn't cause the cut to Williams eye which stopped the fight, since Williams eyelid was already bleeding from his own headbutt which was before Smith's headbutt. Smith shouldn't be blamed for the stoppage. He's not the fighter that started to fight dirty (Williams was) and his cut wasn't what stopped the fight. (Williams' cut was) Smith fought with a cut for most of the fight. Smith shouldn't be blamed for the outcome of the fight. If Williams didn't decide to headbutt Smith, he would never have cut his eyelid on the wrist part of Smith's glove, Smith would never have retaliated with a headbutt of his own. The fight wouldn't have been stopped had Williams not (intentionally) decided to headbutt Smith. Are you going to continue to deny the Williams headbutt which caused the cut?
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Same here, if Beefy doesn't try to foul him again, then I'm afraid he'll get robbed on the scorecards again, IIRC, Smith was leading on the judges cards at the time that Williams got pulled.:lol: Which is utterly asinine, Smith had won maybe 1 round at that point.
     
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  6. dellboi94

    dellboi94 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gassiev against Ustk and Dorticos. Huge Gassiev fan but feel he could lose to both.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Williams was up 86-85 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the stoppage. Williams started the bout strong and won the early rounds convincingly, then in the middle rounds Williams started to gas and Smith started coming on. This was not surprising because Williams had not gone the 12 round distance before and as Williams tired, Smith was slowly taking over. There were several close rounds, but Williams was still ahead on the cards. When the fight was stopped it was clear that Smith had the momentum and Williams was looking to find a way out of the fight. So had it continued, Smith shouldn't have had any problem winning 3 out of the final 4 rounds and winning the decision with a gassed Williams who had never gone that many rounds before.

    But for Williams to headbutt Smith like he did in the 9th was horrible. Smith was concerned with the headbutts going into the fight and sure enough when Williams was starting to get beat up, Williams was looking for a way out and decided to cheat and use his head illegally, which opened up a fight ending cut on his eyelid. Williams will need to pace himself better if he is to get into the late rounds with Smith. And of course not to headbutt Smith like he did in the first fight. If he tries to headbutt Smith again, I wouldn't be surprised if Smith once again responds with a headbutt of his own. As we can see, it was Williams headbutt that came first and caused the cut that stopped the fight, so he deserves any blame for the fight ending, not Smith who wasn't fighting dirty like Williams was.
     
  8. KO KIDD

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    My favorite fighter was Klitschko but he is done now. I figured he could beat everyone that was active around him and he pretty much did so I really cant say anyone worried me.

    GGG is probably my favorite guy but I dont see any middles or 154 guys beating him. I mean he could lose a rematch to Jacobs but not in the sense that its guaranteed or makes me worry lol

    If anything i am really more of a boxing overall fan and am trying not to be overly a fan of specific guys and more of a fan of the sport. Hoping certain fights occur and enjoying the fight for what happens and not getting mad when a guy loses or a guy who is a rival of the guy i like winning a big fight
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I hope Manny Pacquiao never has to fight Nosferatu. And Quint rules.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Ward - Beterbiev, Adonis, Gvozdyk, Bivol. But thankfully he decided to duck them.. er.. no I didn't mean to say that what I meant to say is thankfully he decided to hang up his gloves.
     
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  11. junkhead

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    I'm fearful for Gassiev to take on Dorito boy. I don't mind if he loses to Usyk because that's a given and you can pretty much write the loss off because Usyk seems to be out of everyone league. But if Dorito boy shattered Gassiev's chin and laid him out I reckon it'd be a big hit in the career to a fighter I've just started to get into
     
  12. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm scared of Loma facing Mikey. Mikey has a good shot at beating him. On the other hand, I'm a bit scared of Mikey fighting Crawford. For the most part I'm not scared of GGG fighting anyone. There are a couple fighters who have a shot at dethroning him but none that I see have anymore of a shot than others. For the majority of fighters I'm somewhat emotionally invested in I'm not scared to see them lose. I'm just scared of seeing them lose their passion after a loss.
     
  13. pablinov

    pablinov Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not favourite, but Im glad Lipinets vs Crawford wont happen, Lipinets isnt ready.

    Some fights that happened that I wish didnt... Provo vs Matthysse, Vargas vs Salido. Provo and Vargas took too much stupid damage, unnecessary.

    The biggest fear is bad judging.
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The greatest film character in the history of film.:deal:
     
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  15. Tarking Rubbish

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    Yes. Smith caused the cut.