Pulev running away from Joshua

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  1. Kingmaffe

    Kingmaffe Active Member Full Member

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    Good fight last night. Pulev gave a good account of himself and fought bravely, even winning a couple of rounds. Joshua lost a little control midway through, but steadied the ship and got some rounds in the bank, before a crisp finish.

    However, I believe the fight should have been stopped in the third. When Joshua cought Pulev with a counter right that hurt him badly and later trapped him on the ropes and unloaded, Pulev turned his back and ran away.

    I have always believed that when a fighter turns his back and RUN, it is over. One thing is turning your back when the referee breaks, like Wlad against Fury, but at least that’s only terrible body language. What Pulev did was showing no ability to protect himself properly and taking away a finishing opportunity for Joshua in an illegal manner.

    The only thing I can think of to support the ref’s decision is the fact that Pulev was able to hang on for several rounds, even winning some. But still, I have just seen so many instances where a fighter is badly hurt but allowed to continue, and the breaking point is when he turns his back and tries to escape. On the other hand, I have a hard time remembering a case like this where the ref DIDN’T stop it.

    Thougts?
     
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  2. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Not sure it's in the rules of boxing that the ref has to stop a boxer for turning his back, although you're correct, that's what normally happens. But the ref effectively docked him a point for the standing eight count despite the fact he didn't go down and wasn't kept up by the ropes. So through 20 seconds of refereeing incompetence, he got it just about right...
     
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  3. truth_teller

    truth_teller Member banned Full Member

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    I share the same feeling with Dillian Whyte, the fight was strange.

    Pulev was destroyed in round 3, so:
    • Why couldn't Joshua finish him off in round 4? Was it because he was fatigued after his heavy effort in round 3, like it happened against Klitschko in round 5?
    • Why couldn't Joshua knock out Pulev before round 9? Pulev was terrible, he was shot. Was there match fixing involved? Did someone bet huge for KO in round 9? Or is Joshua not as skilled as Wladimir Klitschko?
     
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  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    The ref can give a standing count without you touching the canvas if he deems you adequately hurt.

    They are basically doing the job of you taking a knee for you

    Many will try to fight whilst badly hurt and get flattened. Pulev should have took a knee.

    Also luckily for him AJ missed all his finishing shots lol

    AJ payed too much respect to Pulev in the following round, pulled a Whyte. Should have jumped on him.

    Touch the head, go inside & hit the body? then back to the head? anything...would have worked. AJ of old is gone though. No confidence. Pulling faces when he is gassing out looking for a break.

    Didn't close the distance adequately incase he got PTSD of being too close to a smaller man so was falling short and just outright missing.
     
  5. Kingmaffe

    Kingmaffe Active Member Full Member

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    I believed the standing 8 count was scrapped years ago, at least for world title fights. But your right, ref’s sometimes employ it anyway.

    See, this is why I miss HBO, where they would clearly state the rules of a fight.
     
  6. Kingmaffe

    Kingmaffe Active Member Full Member

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    I don’t think Joshua even fancies the Fury fight if I’m honest. He was so defensive last night during the post interview, not willing to call out Fury, he just called out “whoever has the belts” or whatever.
     
  7. venbox

    venbox Active Member Full Member

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    Foreman caught Frazier in the back of the head and dropped him while he was running away in the 2nd round of their Jamaica fight. The referee only ruled a KD, he didn't seem to notice Joe running away or George using illegal punches.
     
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  8. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought exactly the same thing when I was watching it. It's something I've always thought since I was a kid in the 70s. You don't turn your back on your opponent like that and walk away, let alone run away.
     
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  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think a stoppage is perfectly reasonable under those circumstances. Either that or AJ getting the chance to drill him in the back of the head, like Foreman did to Frazier under similar circumstances.

    He bought himself maybe 20 seconds all in all when he was obviously unable to defend himself. That is absolutely crucial time. Quite likely the difference between finishing the round instead of being KO'd. Definitely not something fighters should get away with. Yes, the standing count cost him an extra point, but what is losing a point compared to being KO'd. You should never gain anything by cheating, and in that case he blatantly did.

    Imagine if he'd been able to turn it around and win later on. Joshua would quite rightly feel robbed.
     
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  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I would have stopped the fight there. Even if I shouldnt, I really didnt like this behavior.
     
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  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    True.
    AJ does do that.
     
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  12. Diddy

    Diddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pulev’s only success came in the mid rounds when it looked like Joshua was trying to get a breather from a high volume Round 3. Joshua’s volume dipped and he started to get pushed back. He caught his 2nd wind and then became the guy moving forward again. From there it was academic. I don’t think Joshua will beat Fury but he’s certainly got a better chance of doing so than Wilder.
     
  13. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua blew his tank in the third and needed to recover. Wasn't a case of him paying too much respect.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It's a little of both, I think he was gassed, and remembered what happened the last two times he went all out looking for the KO against hurt but durable fighters, and cooled his jets just in case. Also, Pulev tagged him with a few rights that seemed to get his attention, and AJ is incredibly vulnerable when he's gassed. Almost Tony Harrison-esque.:lol:
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Pulev won 1 round, maybe do a case for 2, but that is at best. And its not that this rounds were dominant, it was just that Joshua was not that active.