Pulev will get killed by Wilder

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by eltirado, Aug 24, 2013.


  1. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh yeah he's :boxervs

    :silly and :tired and :emma and :eek:ld and <where's the tub of lard smilie?>
     
  2. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The champs and most contenders are from (East) Europe. How is that "worthless". If it is then the US belt must be less than worthless :yep and I don't think US HWs are that bad :lol:

    DW is hardly much younger then Pulev, and he isn't even an established contender. DWs best wins are vs a washed up, never was Harrison and a washed up Liak. Most fighters never reach top contender status. Let's see your big hope beat a few good HWs before you get too excited :deal
     
  3. derrick

    derrick 6ft4 215 bring it on Full Member

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    Pulev does indeed cut easy but I'm not sold on his chin yet.
     
  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its hard to judge an Undefeated guy chin. Pulev phenotype reminds me of Ribchev, both are tough Bulgarians. Ribchev lost couple of times but he never be KOed or even stopped...No reason to assume Pulev has a glass chin, Bulgarians are tougher than the average East European -Although they speak Slavic-

    Wilder clearly defeats Pulev via TKO or Cuts Stoppage
     
  5. Alcaldemb

    Alcaldemb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder isn't the bigger name. He is an American based fighter, and might be better known in America, but Pulev has been fighting on a bigger stage in Europe for a few years now. If anything Pulev is making more money per fight, is better known by more people, and has clearly beat the better opposition. He has positioned himself to fight Wladimir, and that is what he will do.
     
  6. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WRONG

    "Deontay Wilder": Google Search result: 1,720,000
    "Kubrat Pulev": Google Search result: 233,000

    Deontay Wilder is the hot Knockout Machine 29-0 100% always ending it on his own terms. Many people on this forum will admit to you that they never heard of Pulev till the TT fight & this the leading boxing forum, so if you are not known here you are pretty much not BIG :yep
     
  7. FeldMunster

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    I think you are doing something wrong, mathematically speaking. From your numbers, Pulev's opposition has a winning percentage of 74.7%, while Wilder's has 71.9%. Advantage:pulev

    Furthermore, your numbers do not seem to add up to my own (I keep an extensive Excel file) where I have Pulev's OWP (opponent win percentage) as 76.8% vs. 64.6% for Wilder. Even if you look at their last 10 opponents, it is 83.7% for Pulev, 79.8% for Wilder. Another stat I often look at is how experienced a fighter's average opponent is: 28.2 fights for Pulev's opponents vs. 19.7 fights for Wilder's opponents.

    Now don't get me wrong, I like Wilder, he appears to work hard, is generally polite, and seems to want more difficult opponents than his management, but knocking Pulev's standing/resume/skills in favor of Wilder seems irrational.
     
  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not sure how you get your stats, I do a simple count that anybody can do & it turns out Wilder fought more people & the competition level is not that far off. In my calculations the median average KO of fighters they faced is showing that Wilder faced the slightly harder punching competition.

    How do you measure the median KO %? I did it by fast rounding up, a guy who fight 10 & loses 10 winning 5 by KO, should have a KO ratio of 25% (in my calculation) as I count the % of every fight. Otherwise guys who get KTFO in every hard fight and only win by KO will have a 100% KO ratio :yep

    Pulev is up there statistically as I had Wilder ahead slightly and this can be offset by using diff formulas. However, in general Wilder fought more & KOed more people. The level of competition is not that diff putting Wilder ahead by the number of fights he had, which is fair as active fighters are always better than guys who sit around
     
  9. FeldMunster

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    I will double check my numbers vs. Boxrec to be sure (and for Excel errors), as I don't want to be quoting false information, but for now, I have their opponents combined records as:
    Pulev -> 390-109-9, 390/508 = 76.8%
    Wilder -> 369-185-17, 369/571 = 64.6%

    I don't think facing MORE opponents is necessarily better if they are of lesser quality. I personally don't rate KO % that highly. In my personal formula, KO% is only 5% of a fighter's total rating.

    I will get back to you and/or edit my post.

    The only mistake I could find was actually 1 less loss for Pulev's opponents, so 390-108-9, 390/507 = 76.9%
     
  10. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Will even going by your numbers/formula 60% vs 70% in quality is 12/14

    Quantity of fights ratio is 18/29 which is almost 9/14

    We can treat quality & quantity as equal factors and the edge will still go towards Wilder, otherwise a fighter with 2 fights against 70% types will always rank above a fighter with 30 fights vs 60% which is irrational.


    The KO issue is important here, because they keep saying Wilder avoided hard hitters...when in realty the KO % of his opponents is just average like anybody else in the top 10
     
  11. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I had my questions about whether you were trolling or not, but this argument you're making about Wilder facing better opposition than Pulev puts it over the top. Well done, it took me awhile to catch on. :lol::good
     
  12. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    yeah hes trolling. its hard to tell sometimes because some people actually believe what he says
     
  13. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Numbers are just hard facts that eliminate the hype :yep

    What makes Wilder opposition diff than Pulev :deal

    I already accepted a slight in quantity 6/7 in Pulevs favor. However, its outweighed clearly in quantity of fights 29/18 & KO Ratio by a whooping 1/2

    Everybody has his hidden agenda to make Pulev seem superior to Wilder, when in reality facts and logic say Wilder will stop Pulev if he ever gets in the ring with him.
     
  14. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If the fight ever comes I hope the Wilder doubters will put $ on Pulev since they are so sure :smoke

    What the odds will be? +200 Pulev :yep
     
  15. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    A quick glance at Boxrec indicates that Wilder has never been above 4 rounds.

    How would he be in round 12 if someone like TT was still in there?