Punch drunk boxers

HeavyT · Jan 10, 2011

Who are the most "punch drunk" boxers you've seen? I saw Taylor in 2002 on the HBO doc about him v Chavez, was pretty damn sad to see. Toney's speaking a bit slow as well, anyone know any other examples? before and after vids of interviews maybe?

Im not sick or anything, I just kinda want to see what the effects of boxing can be.

HamburgBuam · Jan 10, 2011

Bowe. I cant understand what he say...
And in Germany, its Timo Hoffmann. Terrible. Thats not speaking... Poor Boy. An he is still fighting.

Thread Stealer · Jan 10, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/05/s...boxer-battered-by-years-in-the-ring-dies.html

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZPxFQIxvg[/ame]

Words · Jan 10, 2011

Joe Frazier sounds pretty bad, Ricky Hatton is slurring his words but it's hard to tell if he's brain damaged or drunk, and James Toney sounds bad, compares these two interviews for diction

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSmiC0knRL4[/ame]

with this....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqSwhiQn970[/ame]

patscorpio · Jan 10, 2011

HamburgBuam said: ↑

Bowe. I cant understand what he say...
And in Germany, its Timo Hoffmann. Terrible. Thats not speaking... Poor Boy. An he is still fighting.
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ever since that 12 round beating he took from vitali timo was never the same

Thread Stealer · Jan 10, 2011

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/15/sports/la-sp-dwyre-20101016

BILL DWYRE
October 15, 2010|Bill Dwyre

The tall, handsome man entered the room slowly, but with head held high. He was once heavyweight boxing champion of the world. Now, he moved along behind a walker.

Could it have been 1973, 37 years ago, that Ken Norton had broken Muhammad Ali's jaw and won his title? Could this be the same once-great athlete who had forced the state of Illinois to change its high school track and field entry rules because he had won all eight events he tried?

The others swarmed to greet him. Men with limps, flat noses and faces of scar tissue rushed to pose for pictures with him, fists clenched in the traditional boxing poses. Alex "The Bronx Bomber" Ramos was there. So was Danny "Little Red" Lopez, Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini, a handful more. All had been world-class boxers, had known fame, fortune and the bright lights above the canvas.

It was to be a night of reunion, and it was. Also, a night of harsh reality.

The occasion was the screening of a little-known, little-publicized documentary titled "After the Last Round." Its theme is head injuries in boxing. Perhaps 25% of the audience had one, and maybe half of those were willing to admit it.

The executive producer is Santa Barbara filmmaker Tom Moyer, whose best success has been the TV show "Critter Gitters." It was directed by Ryan Pettey, with production help from Moyer's son, Pat.

"I made the movie because I was so tormented," said Tom Moyer.

His father, Tom Sr., had been a national AAU champion. He is 92 now. His uncle, Harry Moyer, had also been an amateur boxing champion. He is 96. Harry had two sons, Denny and Phil. They lived in Oregon and got into boxing as amateurs. For a while, their uncle, Tom, trained them.

Eventually, they turned pro and Denny became a star, even beating Sugar Ray Robinson once. If you are old enough to remember the "Gillette Cavalcade of Sports" and its Friday night fights, you remember Denny Moyer. He was a staple, as was Phil.

Tom Moyer idolized his cousins. He spent long days doing odd jobs around the gym as they trained.

Then he watched them grow old, deteriorate and lose their ability to do even the most simple tasks. These two larger-than-life characters of Tom Moyer's childhood, his own flesh and blood, had become grown men in diapers, sitting in rocking chairs, as nurses cleaned the drool off their chins.

They were Oregon's version of Southern California's Quarry brothers, Jerry and Mike, now both gone as victims of pugilistic dementia. Denny succumbed July 1, at age 70. He had had 139 professional fights, 20 in his last two years. Phil, a few years older, is alone now in the convalescent home.

One searing image from the film is Phil, sitting alone on his bed, wearing his ever-present football helmet minus the face guard, face mostly blank. Above his bed is a poster of Muhammad Ali.

Another is of Harry, when both his boys were still alive, wiping their noses and pushing them, one by one, down a hallway in a cart.

"I didn't want them to turn pro," Harry says, his face showing the pain of a man who started his two sons on a path to brain death and needs to be able to believe he isn't totally responsible, which he isn't.

He holds a boxing glove from Denny's induction into the Hall of Fame, and says, "I really don't think this was worth it."

The film isn't all about the Moyers. It was just inspired by them.

There is Ali, slurring his rationalizations about why he is healthy enough to keep fighting.

There is a disabled Tony Bruno, a former boxer from Denver in his 50s now, meeting Jeff Rehman, who had unknowingly inflicted near-fatal brain damage to his close friend Bruno 30 years ago in a college sparring session. Bruno says, "I don't think I remember you." A distraught Rehman says, "I'm so very sorry."

There is the wife of current heavyweight DaVarryl Williamson, watching him get knocked out and saying later, "My biggest fear is taking that plane ride home alone."

After the screening, there was a panel discussion that was as jarring as the film. From it came the ridiculous, yet understandable, rationalization of men who knew that what they had done for a living was ill-advised and dangerous.

Ramos said that he had frontal lobe damage, but had no problems. Then he rambled enough to raise questions.

Tony "The Tiger" Lopez said he was aware he was forgetting things but said, "I really don't care, because if I cared, I'd remember."

Mancini told the audience about his 1982 fight with South Korean Duk-Koo Kim that cost Kim his life. "I didn't kill him," Mancini said. "He passed away because of a result of a fight."

Norton didn't speak. He didn't have to.

"After the Last Round" is among those documentaries still in the nomination pool for an Academy Award. It has had minimal distribution, which is a shame.

So is its subject matter.
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Leon · Jan 10, 2011

Thread Stealer said: ↑

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/15/sports/la-sp-dwyre-20101016
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damn. These reminders of why pro boxers don't want their own kids to box is serious ****.

motownsiu · Jan 10, 2011

shane mosley after pac. and it will be sad to see considering i'm a fan of mosley. pac's number 1 favorite followed by mosley at close second.

HeavyT · Jan 10, 2011

gotta check out this film...

went n saw an interview with Bowe. Medlrick Taylor's still the worst active (at the time) fighter Ive seen so far. How do these guys get licensed? greedy promoters/****ed up commisions?

bobthebutcher · Jan 10, 2011

motownsiu said: ↑

shane mosley after pac. and it will be sad to see considering i'm a fan of mosley. pac's number 1 favorite followed by mosley at close second.
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Mosely seem punch drunk now to me, he is slurring his words and it can only get worse.

motownsiu · Jan 10, 2011

bobthebutcher said: ↑

Mosely seem punch drunk now to me, he is slurring his words and it can only get worse.
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i hate to see what's happening to mosley. seems like he's one of those fighters that is too brave for his own good. i know he's a grown man but someone needs to protect him from himself.

Atritionist · Jan 10, 2011

Evander Holyfield... it's sad just watching him try and talk.

anarci · Jan 11, 2011

Suprised no one has mentioned one of my top 3 or 4 all time favorites Bobby Chacon... Im sure many of you saw the Real Sports story about Chacon-Lopez.

Biff · Jan 11, 2011

If you guys have seen the doc Facing Ali, there are plenty of good examples of this... I mean, when the fighters spoke (i.e. Leon Spinks) they had to be sub-titled...

Punisher33 · Jan 11, 2011

Tommy Hearns didn't sound all that great when I seen him on ESPN a few years back. The man had alot of tough fights.

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