Punch Power Myth.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Wass85, Dec 28, 2022.


  1. Wass85

    Wass85 Active Member banned Full Member

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    What is it with the myth that gaining body weight doesn't increase your punching power? Does anyone really believe that Holyfield hit harder at Cruiserweight than he did at Heavyweight or that Manny Pacquiao hit harder at Featherweight than he did at Welterweight? The idea is absurd if you ask me.

    I think where people get mistaken is that fighters that go up in weight get diminishing returns in effectiveness. The absolute force behind your punches definitely increases but so does the strength and resistance of your opponents.

    Of course I imagine there is a cut off point for every individual, for instance, Holyfield at 260lb would likely not hit any harder than a 225lb version as he would lose all the speed that contributes towards punching power, but to suggest adding weight in the right fashion in no way increases punch power is just a myth in my opinion.

    You would think in today's science based training they would be able to find a fighters optimal weight by measuring punching power, strength, stamina, etc.
     
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  2. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Gaining weight properly surely increases the muscle mass, therefore the potential of that muscle. Maybe gaining from 225 lb to 260 (as with your example) won't give significant power increase, it's also related to the person's genetics. But here comes the physics: more mass however will generate at least slightly harder punch. But the punching power is a gift as well, so not everyone has it.
     
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  3. janitor

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    You can only do so much to increase a fighters power, because their nervous system is the key component.

    I imagine that Holyfield did hit harder at heavyweight, because the sports science suggests that he would.

    However I imagine that diminishing returns set in very rapidly, and that the principle advantage gained would be in his physical strength.
     
  4. BCS8

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    Mass increase will increase punching power but (imho) too much will reduce explosiveness. You still want speed and snap on those punches
     
  5. Wass85

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    I agree with you both, I think the key point and emphasis, especially in the HW division is to be in tip top shape if you come in heavier than usual, it's no good just gaining weight by eating extra cheeseburgers. I am sure sports scientists of today are fully aware of all this and they can calculate a HW's optimum weight, the trouble is there is so many variables making absolutes very difficult. The main variable of course is your opponent, i.e, you wouldn't want to be the same weight for facing someone like Usyk as you would be for facing Fury.
     
  6. AntonioMartin1

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    It can work both ways I guess..in Wilfredo Gomez and Roberto Duran's cases going up in weight decreased their power at least a bit.
     
  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In theory, yes - increased body weight can increase punch power, but will only be realized, if the increase is effective in combination with the ability to generate instantaneous force and velocity.

    Extra weight will not help if it diminishes mobility, timing, speed and technique and might even produce negative returns, where these facets are impaired.
     
  8. Wass85

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    And that's where the cut off point for every individual comes in to fruition, the key point is finding where the cut off point is. How often have we seen fighters come in too heavy and not get any benefits out of it whatsoever. Mike Tyson came in very heavy against Lennox Lewis, the theory was that it would help him compete in the strength department, i very much doubt at that stage of his career he would have ever beat Lewis but that strategy was completely wrong, he was painfully slow and gassed out in no time.
     
  9. Wass85

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    Did it though or was it a case of their power being less effective against bigger and stronger opponents? Saying that, Duran is an example of a fighter gaining weight the wrong way, I don't think he gained weight optimally like he maybe could have, that was probably just a sign of the times though.
     
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  10. Mastrangelo

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    I don't think there's many fighters whose KO% increased as They were moving up in weight. Even if You can increase power as You put on more muscle mass, You're also fighting opponents who are naturally bigger, thus physically more "sturdy" and capable of absorbing that power better, so effectively even if You punch harder, your power will be less impactful against bigger men.

    I believe that this is true as well, particulary for certain type of fighters who generate power more like high-jumpers rather than Olympic weight-lifters - so Tommy Hearns vs Mike Tyson for example.

    Tyson's power probably increased with all of the heavy lifting He was doing (While it might've hurt his conditioning), but the same kind of approach would've only hurt Tommy, in my opinion, slowing him down and taking away some of that natural fluidity and sharpness.

    So different strokes for different folks.
     
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  11. Greg Price99

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    Relative to their bigger opponents punch resistance it did. In absolute terms I doubt it reduced their power.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

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    You have a ceiling of potential and I don’t think bodyweight plays a part once you’re at a healthy weight. I think your form is on point and you are sharp that’s all there is to it, if you’re a natural 135lbs guy I personally don’t think you’ll hit harder at 220lbs.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    I didn't think this myth really exists. Where did you run across it?
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    Total truth though, Evander Holyfield would never be stopped by anything short of “Big” James Toney.
     
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  15. Wass85

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    I've heard people say it before and I have read it on here over the years.