Punch Power Myth.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Wass85, Dec 28, 2022.


  1. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He actually never had an inside game.
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Not sure someone like Valuev, can ever be explained..
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    He was simply big. Not everyone whose big has power. Yes adding healthy functional weight and improving your technique can in theory add power, but I also am of the opinion some guys simply do not hit that hard and never will. Tim Bradley is shredded with an impressive physique and you can see him really trying his hardest to put all his weight into his punches, and yet he can barely damage even average opponents. He just doesn't have it.
     
  4. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes we never know how much power someone has, or may improve it.
    Even if not considering the benefits of speed, agility, endurance, flexibility that tend to behigher when lighter, where adding functional weight & muscle helps power & punch resistance, & where it stops or becomes marginal (& not worth losing the former advantages) is an open question.

    However clearly power & a chin are at least first amongst equals-at least how the current rules are structured & implemented.
    shorter fights, bigger gloves, more clinching & wrestling allowed all lends itself to more mass, muscle & strength.
     
  5. Wass85

    Wass85 Active Member banned Full Member

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    I know, he always let men man handle him and push him about. To say he had no inside game is false though as he sometimes unleashed nice combinations when they were near the break. Still, the point stands, Tyson foolishly came in very heavy in the hope to compete with Lewis in the strength department.
     
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  6. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's a fairly exceptional case. Usually, the big hitters could hit big on day 1. He's he only one I heard of who didn't hit that hard, learned proper technique, and was suddenly a top-tier puncher.
     
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  7. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His relative lack there is a bit glaring. You'd think his set of physical abilities would be highly conducive to being mean as hell up close. I mean, a fast hard hitting little guy with a great left/right hook and a great right uppercut, jeez, done right look the hell out.

    Why not seek out, oh I don't know, Joe Frazier for some training there? I mean, if any HW would know about fighting bigger men up close... (assuming Joe would forgive him for what he did to Marvis)
     
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  8. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    That would have been wise decision on Mike's part. What he really lacked was not knowing how to fight in the clinch. As far as inside fighting goes, he had perfect punch technique and combos for inside fighting
     
  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    True. And it was amazing to see Tommy revert to his formidable boxing skills when Leonard turned bull in their first fight. What a role reversal! Incredible fight.
     
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  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Not to go all Bill Nye the science guy but the F=MA equation is often dusted off in these discussions. Sure, there is some relationship between that equation and the potential force imparted - but the actual equation speaks of a difference force - the pushing or pulling force required to move the mass in question. Suffice to say, a 2000 kg travelling at constant speed (no acceleration) is suggested to have no force acting upon it, as per the above equation.

    But if that same 2000 kg car hit us, we know we would be f*cked, so yes, it does have momentum (mass x velocity), That momentum can be transferred in part in whole upon collision and whatever that transference is equates to IMPACT force but again, there is a different formula for calculating same (and other variables to consider) and for one thing, the shorter the time over which the collision occurs, the greater the force imparted to the object. In the real world, that can equate to having more snap to your punch = = The faster you recoil upon impact, the better - less collision time, greater force exerted. The opposite to that is "pushing" your punches.

    NEXT WEEK: How to suck an egg into a bottle. :lol:
     
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  11. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    Speed ,Timing and Precision backed with any amount of weight 7lbs and on is absolute.