Punch Stats Of The 1st Jeffries v Corbett Fight

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The San Francisco Call published a detailed punch stat of the 1900 Jeffries vCorbett 1st fight.
    Its generally accepted that Corbett was in front at the time of the stoppage and the Call's opinion supports this.
    Rounds 1,2,3,4,5,,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16 show Corbett had outlanded Jeffries. Corbett began to noticeably tire after this and Jeffries superior strength ,weight, and youth began to assert themselves. Jeffries out landed Corbett from this point, scoring a KD in the 19th before stopping his challenger in the 23rd rd.
    Corbett landed a total of 404 punches.
    Jeffries landed140 , no doubt there was more oomph in Jeff's blows, and in the rounds after the16th they had a noticeable effect on Corbett.

    Corbett made a big effort to take Jeffries out in the 9th round, for 2 minutes he landed jab after jab and the n followed up with a series of blows on the jaw that had Jeffries hurt and staggering for a short time.It was the only point in the fight that Corbett came near to winning outright.
    Jeffries was bleeding for the nose in the 10th rd, and from the mouth in the 11th.
    Reduced to a walk by the start of the 23rd Corbettwas easy prey for the bigger man's punches

    Punches thrown.
    Left swings[hooks]Corbett 255. Jeffries 214
    Right swings[hooks]Corbett15. Jeffries 49
    Straight lefts Corbett237. Jeffries 109
    Straight rights Corbett 62 . Jeffries 17
    Right uppercuts Corbett 12 . Jeffries 11
    Left uppercuts Corbett 8 . Jeffries 11
    Left jabs Corbett 88. Jeffries 6
    Right jabs Corbett 42 . Jeffries 6

    Initiated clinches Corbett 12 . Jeffries 20

    The Call stated the following.

    "The showing made by James J Corbett in his recent battle with Champion Jeffries surprised the sporting fraternity so much that the comment has not subsided.
    That Corbett completely outclassed Jeffries is shown by the accompanying table compiled by the New York Herald by and expert and,according to his countCorbett landed 404 punches to Jeffries 140.
    Had Corbett evaded the knockout blow,referee White could hardly have done otherwise than declared him the victor."
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Nice, this gives a more relatable context to the fight.
     
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  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I hope their punchstats are more reliable than compubox.

    I generally think punchstats CAN be an interesting side note but CAN just as often be misleading, open to interpretation both by the recorder and/or the ultimate reader, and pointless. The importance given by fans and networks today to punchstats has hurt the sport imo.
     
  4. mcvey

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    I would agree ,we don't know how much power was in those shots by Corbett and Pollack states that Jeffries shots registered on Corbett whereas Jeffries walked though quite a few of Jim's.I just posted it because I think it reinforces the accepted view that Corbett was in front after 16rds ,then he began to run down and become more stationary,several papers said he was still holding his own, but Jeffries was landing more frequently that he had been able to in the previous rounds.
     
  5. janitor

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    Here I am going to disagree.

    A fight did not have to be as close for a draw to be rendered back then (Canelo Golovkin notwithstanding).

    If a decision was remotely controversial, than there was hell to pay from the betting fraternity.

    If a draw was rendered, then all bets were off, so the referee did not have the aggravation.

    If Corbett had survived to the final bell, then I think it very likely that a draw would have been the result.
     
  6. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For a guy who was reported to have astronomical strength and speed Jim Jeffries sure didn't seem to use it well. Probably because the reports on him are false.
     
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  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought it pretty interesting that Corbett seemed to use the left hook quite a lot more than i thought he would.

    Also, Jeffries was quite big on the right hook.

    The differentiation between Left Jab and Straight left seems a bit hard and subjective to make, especially live and on one viewing, since i assume the author didnt have access to a full film of the fight.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    They CAN be misleading but I'm tired of people reacting to the last 30 seconds of a round rather than the entire 180 seconds. The stats may put things in perspective and dissuade some from allowing fighters to steal rounds.
     
  9. janitor

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    That makes perfect sense.

    The jab often wasn't scored back then, so if Corbett's plan was to win on the cards, he would have lead with the hook a lot.
     
  10. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Any moderately educated observer should know better than to allow a clear round to stolen on 30 seconds worth of work.

    That being said compubox routinely scores missed punches, blocked punches, and punches that land on non-scoring parts of the body. Then when that guy loses people cry foul and point to punchstats as to why their favorite lost.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Well you are not disagreeing with me,you are disagreeing with a newspaper and their reporter who sat at ringside watching the fight.
    I venture to suggest he was better placed to give a definitive opinion on who would have gotten the decision ,should it have gone the distance than yourself!
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Can we get some moderately educated folks to judge fights?

    Otherwise I will take moderately effective volume and pressure over a couple flashy flurries that don't deter an advancing opponent. The effectiveness of both approaches needs to be accounted for and weighted.
     
  13. TBI

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    So here are the numbers:

    Corbett - 719 Thrown, 404 landed-- 31 thrown per round, 17.5 land 56.4%

    Jeffries - 437 Thrown, 140 landed-- 19 thrown per round, 6 land 31.5%

    Clinch 12, 20 Total.

    So even if this isnt exact, Corbett outlanded Jeffries almost 2-1...

    Both with dismal output numbers... Lots of fainting, posturing, and looking...

    And these guys are supposed to outlast greats like Frazier? Corbett out-hustles Jones Jr or other LHW greats? C'mon, dog..

    GTFO.
     
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  14. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This bout was fought in a large ring with probably 3-4 oz horsehair filled gloves.....bricks. It behooved both men, especially Corbett, to avoid as best as possible getting hit solid. Thus the feinting, the moving, the clinching. Different game in those days. The styles and pace of fighting fit the conditions and rules of the day.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    I believe he did. The premise offered by Janitor that left jabs were often not counted is blown apart by the fact that 66 were registered for Corbett for only 6 by Jeffries
    Educated?
    Adalaide Byrd? Eugenia Williams?