Punchers are born not made

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  1. lefe

    lefe Active Member Full Member

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    Does anybody watched competition of stars in1973.Joe Frazier was in that competition and his results in power,speed,swimming was awful.He couldn't lift weight which today middleweight will lift easy.And still he was devastating puncher,his left hook was murderous,he could broke opponents ribs with his body punches,and he was not slow in the ring, he was capable to catch fast Ali with his punches.His arms(biceps) were only 15" ih his prime and that is small for today recreative body builders but punch does not comes from big arms and muscles.You cant build your arms.shoulders chest but this doesn't mean that you will be puncher.Look at Earnie Shavers, he looks strong but not close at today standards and still he is hardest puncher ever.Heavyweights of today are much biger than in the past but they are not harder punchers.Here is my prove:in the era of Joe Louis there were numbers of big heavyweights like today:primo Carnera,Buddy Bear,Abe Simon but there were not be considered as big punchers.Big punchers were Max Baer,Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano...usually small guys.Of course they are big guys who were big punchers like Geoprge Foreman,Sonny Liston but they are also small for today standards under 220lbs.My conclusion is that you can't be devastating puncher because of big muscles or steroids , punchers are born they had that thing deep inside them like fire,dynamite.Of course there are factors which are important: bones,construction,muscles,ligaments.But main thing for big punchers is bad intentions,like Mike Tyson said.You must try too kill with every punch.Interesting Shavers wrote in his book that if he wasn't became boxer he would be assassin.Visit my blog [HTML][/HTML]http://bigpunchers.blogspot.com/[HTML][/HTML] for more threads,videos and upcoming videos.
     
  2. JoeLaTurkey

    JoeLaTurkey Active Member Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns rarely scored a knockout as an amateur. Explain him.
     
  3. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stewart taught him how to use his leverage. Hearns always had the power...Stewart showed him how to make the most of it and that he did.
     
  4. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    If Frazier was born 30 years later, he'd have been far better built,probably 10 pounds heavier,and would have hit harder.
     
  5. PBC

    PBC Active Member Full Member

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    If fraziers left hook got any harder, than damnnn thats a even more lethal shot. As far as Tommy Hearns go, he didnt use his leverage and power to his benefit in the amatures. He didn't need it, because he was a very slick boxer. Ray leanord even said that in the amatures Hearns was more of the better boxer and ray was the puncher, but in the pros it switched.
     
  6. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    Punching is about technique. Mass x Acceleration = Force

    Its simple physics.

    Putting the most of your weight into the proper motion and delivery creates the biggest impact.

    Any boxing coach can prove it to you in 5 mins.

    Put down the keyboard go visit a gym.
     
  7. rookie

    rookie Active Member Full Member

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    its made. plain and simple
     
  8. boxingfanneato

    boxingfanneato what would MORALES do! Full Member

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    interesting but bery true.
    i think to much muscle, or in todays heavyweights case fat slows u down big time. speed kills.
    i mean lets break down the science of this force=massxaccelartion
    so basically its how fast you can get ur weigt in ur shot. if ur slow as **** even the biggest man will not really do much damage. its shown everytime there is a k.o. look at guys like a prime tua. dude is my height with maybe 70lbs heavier but man was he explosive and it was the speed of his left that left people crippled and slumped over
    even if we dig deeper and look at the torque of punches, torque is distance x force x sine of the two angle. unless the angles are perpendicular to each other then u can get rid of the sine part, which is the basic fundamental of sliding over and hitting a person with the left hook in the nose or front part of the face rather than the side. but back on torque so torque is basically taking the force formula multiplying the distance u want to travle and adding the angle u want to travle in. so in short the more force(m x a) in a short distance or long distance the more power u will create. yah dig

    man i love the science of boxong
     
  9. boxingfanneato

    boxingfanneato what would MORALES do! Full Member

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    you beat me to it lol:good
     
  10. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Wrong. You'd be surprised what alittle technique would do.
     
  11. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    It's a bit of both. Some people are born with the skills whilest others can improve their abilities and be just as good. Can't help it but I must say, END THREAD!!!!!
     
  12. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    Wrong, technique, leverage etc equels power.
     
  13. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's both...The proper teaching and technique will help you maximize your potential as a puncher, but you have to be blessed with that sort of power to begin with.

    All the training in the world won't make most people hit like a Foreman or Foster.
     
  14. fan johnny

    fan johnny Active Member Full Member

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    Well that's a stupid conclusion. "Frazier was a natural born puncher" should have been your conclusion because that is what you support.
     
  15. Sp_Immortal

    Sp_Immortal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you can develop power swinging a bat or a tennis racket then you can develop punching power.

    Sure, some people will have higher ceilings than others, longer limbs, bigger hands, more fast twitch fibres. But the essence is technique, not strength.