Punching mechanics midsection stretch kinetic chain

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  1. Wagoat

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    You dont like each other but please discuss the thread
     
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    Sounds like i have an admirer. A bit creepy but thanks.
     
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    i do believe im one of 3 who have addressed your thread in detail, not just trolling or tantrums.
     
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    im smitten.:enamorado:
    can i give you a like? ill give you 2 if you explain why mvc has twice the likes you do. or you can yap away with your tail between your legs, it wont diminish my infatuation with you.
     
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    Yes thats true you Already adress Some things your opinion on the subject and there is always room for discussion but with ringking75 your beefing at the moment lol
     
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    This is a good post and you also posted about strengthing the core and stuff you already explained your opinion on the subject you don’t agree with dealt_with but thats the beauty of a forum to discuss everyone has his opinion on it you don’t agree you say it works different dealt_with says it works different i wanna hear both your visions on it dealt_with reacted but only once unfortunately wanted to ask him Some questions but also want to ask you something you posted in another post something about Emanuel steward who turned moorer and hearn into a puncher right? Your opinion on that and how hè did it
     
  7. bandeedo

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    forgive me for trashing up your legitimate thread, but when truths start dropping around here, theres usually a history. and you can go back and read each step of this escalation, so that things become clearer.
    to your question, i think steward taught these men how to do what glaukos, who is more qualified than i to explain this, is talking about. common saying, he taught him how to sit on his punches.
    what you want to achieve is as clean a transfer of energy, that starts at your feet and ends at the knuckle, as you can. thats a lot of traveling through various joints and independent movements that need to work in unison. depending on which punch you use will dictate the best path for the energy to travel, and in the case of hooks to the body, 2 seperate paths combine.
    for a straight punch, you want to make as straight a path from your back foot, which starts the throw of energy, to past the target, for maximum transfer. at the time of impact, there are shockwaves of energy that look for the softest conductor to flow through, so you want to be as rigid, or stable, as you can be so you dont absorb most of the energy on impact. the closer your joints are to being straight will determine how stiffly you can absorb the waves. like a staff vs a numchuk, theres not a lot of bounce when youre hit with the point of a staff.
    for hooks, the power comes from putting all your weight on the thigh under the hook and pushing off, ill call that the truck, then your shoulder swings the 90% bat for a busted mailbox.
    thats how it sits in my head, anyway. like i said, glaukos is more qualified, but im no dumbass either.

    small correction... its not your shoulders responsible for the swing in your hooks, but your trunk, which ties in with previous points in the thread.
     
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    Appreciate this is a very good explanation glaukos knows more but it is very hard to understand because hè Goes deeper in the subject but thats good hè can Come with a way to make me understand it better again thanks for your post bandeedo appreciate it
     
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    :thumbsup:
     
  10. GlaukosTheHammer

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    I will look for a better teacher for you.

    In the meantime, the energy is not produced by the bones it is conducted by the bones. If we think of it in terms of electricity then the generator is the muscles, the transformers are the tendons and ligaments, and the wires are bones. Take a man like Eddie Hall, world's strongest man at present. Eddie can generate a lot of energy into a punch just by being massive, but because Eddie doesn't know how to properly structure the alignment of his skeleton that energy will have a hard time traveling through Eddie's body. Eddie being unable to conduct the energy through his body is likewise unable to receive the equal opposite energy caused by impact and so rather than driving his fist into the opponent his fist would bounce off. If Eddie Hall can throw a punch, my bad, he's just an example of an untrained big man. Take a nuclear power plant. Loads of energy being created. What is the first thing that energy needs to do? It must travel from a generator to a transformer to transform into something usable by the home. Without wires to conduct the generator to the transformer the amount of energy needed for the transformation and the output of the post transformed wave are completely irrelevant given the generator's inability to transfer its energy anywhere.

    So a man can generate loads of energy, transform that energy through some means like your suggested OP, and still fail to deliver that energy because of the lack of alignment by bones. If a man can generate energy, conduct that energy into his fist, and forms a stance at impact that allows nowhere for the reaction energy to flow but into the opponent that man has produced a pure kinematic chain. So in the end no one aspect overrides any other. With no energy to conduct the alignment of bones is useless. With no conductor the energy produced by muscles is useless, and without proper movements done in proper timing neither the muscles nor the bones will produce any form of upscaling the original energy but rather will serve to negate it just as resistance in a wire negates the flow of electricity.

    I hope that helps some for now.

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    Seen this. I reckon he does a good job explaining the science, but I do wish he'd selected a different example. Bruce Lee was hardly a real fighter, or was he?
     
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    No problem bud I'm probably a bit overly sensitive to the subject. I'd just like to say gravity is speculative as well but no one uses that as a reason to disregard why objects fall. There's no reason to throw away solid science because the overall question is unanswered. There are many things we know, kinematic chains are one of them.
     
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    Muscles create energy tendons ligaments send it to the bones and flow through the bones to the target ok i get it but how to get the most energy and best flow of energy in your boxing punching technique ?
     
  13. Wagoat

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    More thoughs on the midesection stretch in the kineticchain are welcome if you think it exist yes or no and if you think it does explain why and if you think it doesn’t give your opinion on whatcreates great punching power instead of the midsection stretch kinetic chain