Pure Wrestler vs Pure Boxer, MMA match, no cross training for either.

The first part of this video (after 3:30) suggests something different. Much of the footwork, angles, movement, targets for a conventional use of punches are highlighted as rudimentary tactics to avoid a grab, wrestling clinch, or takedown; Shamrock often says "just like/same as in boxing or striking." Someone who has mastered those fundamentals in boxing against someone standing completely square looking to drop their weight with their hands out in front and no knowledge of how to avoid or deflect punches has their own very tangible set of advantages.

The first part of this video (after 3:30) suggests something different. Much of the footwork, angles, movement, targets for a conventional use of punches

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I'm not denying wrestlers have their own advantages that could exploit the lack of grappling know-how of a boxer, but to pretend a complete boxer can't find ways to land quickly and effectively on someone who isn't used to getting hit at all overlooks multiple dynamics.

 

Frank Shamrock is a life long grappler who added boxing to his skill set. That's literally a lifetime of TDD on display there

Of course a boxer could land, but 7 out of 10 times, he'll end up on his back

 

I can understand you giving a 30% chance, but my point is, the very first layer of defensive techniques he gives seem to have more to do with the fundamentals of boxing than they do with what I see grapplers and wrestlers do in MMA or their own sport.

 

^ Oh yeah...I didn't factor in the Brock Lesnar Effectatsch

I'm revising my odds of 60%/40% in favour of wrestlers to 55%/45%.

 

The basic fundamentals apply to both sports sure, wide stance for leverage, low centre of gravity and so on, but there's yet to be, to my knowledge a successful boxer who's transitioned to MMA without any grappling training. The point of Shammys vid with adopting a grappling stance to throw down, so he added a few boxing techniques in there. I think you are getting confused

 

Insert James Toney vs Randy Couture..

 

Don't think stamina is a big issue in this fight at all, TBH. Either way it will end, for all intents and purposes, within 30 seconds.

Wrestler either gets drilled and confused by the boxer's footwork, and prompty KTFO by the followup barrage, or succeeds (while perhaps taking a punch or two) in securing the takedown. On the mat, it won't be no points decision...the boxer gets beaten to a pulp.

Wrestler wins 8 times out of 10 IMO.

 

A single ankle pick to arm triangle choke are pure wrestling techniques, so it was a close to your scenario as you will ever get in high level MMA

**** off Johnstown!

 

I have actually read that Frank started grappling at the ripe old age of 21.

Not sure if he had some HS wrestling before that, but in terms of submissions, that is when he started.

 

U ever watch the early ufc?

boxers gets owned in an mma fight.

 

Yeah you a right atsch Think the point about him adapting to striking from a grappling base still stands though

 

But he's not that wide, his legs aren't parallel, and his movement is something a boxer could easily do, likely faster than a wrestler. I constantly see wrestling-based MMA fighters cross their feet when they rotate and square up much more than Shamrock is doing there. Jabbing to the head and body while moving laterally before setting up an offensive or counter from that angle seems especially suited for a boxer.

I've seen a few MMA matches where a guy gets knocked from a punch out going for the takedown against a less-than-stellar striker. Those don't get talked about as often and I can't remember where I've seen them.

I had a high school wrestler teach me how to sprawl, and his stance was just begging for a jab to the body and right cross upstairs.