Pure Wrestler vs Pure Boxer, MMA match, no cross training for either.

If it was as simple as Frank was saying in that video, step to the outside of the lead foot, then no one would ever get taken down. A lot has to do with timing in that regard. It's also important to note the Frank is talking directly to the camera, not focusing on the takedown, one wasnt even attempted in real time

Yes I agree, wrestlers footwork on the feet sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. This would lead them to getting tagged by a skilled boxer, no arguments there. But if he wasnt kodded, then his 1st instinct, as seen many times, is to go for the takedown. So basically for a PURE boxer to be successful in defending a takedown, he'd have to knock the guy out ASAP

And jabbing would just encourage the wrestler to shoot for a single or double sooner. This invloves changing levels and driving the shoulders through the hips, lifting the guy up and slamming, and sweeping the legs.

A boxer would have to have exceptional timing to be able to lower his stance, punch without hitting the back of the head and hit with sufficient force , or side step outside the lead foot to avoid this with no training in how to sprawl, sweep from the bottom, or even apply a guillotine choke

I cant think of any, some examples would be nice.

Cool, guy who wasnt expecting you to strike and was teaching you, rather than trying to take you down as he would in an MMA match or a Wrestling meet, would be open to a punch if you chose to hit him...and that's no guareentee you'd stop the takedown either...

Case closed then

 

A fundamentally sound boxer should feasibly be able to do what you've described in most of your post around half the time. I'm not arguing that a boxer wins every time against a wrestler or even close, but that the right gameplan and set of skills can make them effectively win. Focusing on the jab upstairs exclusively is asking for a level change and a take-down, but a low jab or a jab to the body mixed in with feints to provoke a counter or distract a change of angles is perfectly reasonable. You don't have to KO him quickly if you can keep turning him before you launch an offensive. Even with gloves, a non-trained striker isn't going to react well to the punches. 1-3 is really all it should take.

As far as that last part, when I teach someone to box, and I box them, my stance isn't going to change just because I'm trying to run through a drill. His stance was the same as it would be were he trying to take down anybody else, and it was wide open for punches. That's how it's going to be for a wrestler the vast majority of times.

 

I dont think jabs to the body are the best method to stop a takedown as you'd either have to plant your feet to gain maximum power thus inhibiting movement, or you'd have to stay light on your toes to avoid the takedown thus limiting power, generally speaking

And you still havent come up with an example of someone without grappling experiance stopping a takedown with strikes

 

**** off Johnstown!

 

**** off Johnstown!

 

**** off Johnstown!

 

And Johnstown has ****ed off

 

I wish I could find the videos of those examples, but they're buried deep somewhere in a thread where someone else posted the. One was a boxer backstepping and landing a hard uppercut that stopped him, and

Jabs to the body would be used to set something up; a good boxer should be on their toes at all time, and you don't need to pivot or inhibit movement to duck down and land a jab to the body; in fact, you can sidestep while doing so, and a sharp puncher can inhibit a thrust forward. But that's not the definitive key I'd give to a boxer, just another tool to use.

 

Ever seen boxers fight each other at a press conference? It looks way more like an MMA fight than a boxing match. Johnstown is an ignorant ignorant poster.

 

Dont get me wrong fella, boxing is a great skill set to have in your MMA game, and what you are saying makes sense

But I think all things being equal and in terms of style v style and with no cross training, then you'd have to favour the wrestler.

All the things you have posted would work well if the boxer had the ground game to compliment it

Some of the best boxers in MMA have a grappling base, like Penn, Edgar, JDS, Arlovski. Just hard to see a pure boxer succeeding. Even lower level guys like Lytle and Davis, who were former pros, had to add grappling to their game to even achieve low/mid card status