Pure Wrestler vs Pure Boxer, MMA match, no cross training for either.

I posted the Ali Frazier brawl on the Cosell show once when HENDO was doing his ''Boxers dont roll around the floor like homosexuals'' schtick :good

 

In MMA a ground game addition to a fundamentally sound boxer would be great and exciting to see, IMO. It's why I like catching KJ Noons when I can.

 

was KJ really a decent boxer? after watching crazy horses' wild ass style KO em i started to think it was bull.

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Most street fights end on the ground because most street fights don't involve skilled boxers. A boxer can easily KO somebody that doesn't know how to block a punch. A wrestler is gonna shoot in with his head unguarded and get KOed a higher % of the time I think.

 

KJ is not a decent boxer by the standards of boxing, no. But due to his experience, he does moves and sets up combos and counters that I haven't seen any other MMA fighter use and it's interesting to see them applied by someone with half-decent form and head movement.

 

KJ is a D level Boxer in Boxing, but an A level in zuffaforce.

 

While Couture is no "pure" wrestler, all he used to beat pure boxer Toney was an ankle pick and an anaconda choke. Had he not known BJJ he could have left out the choke, pinned Toney down, and pummelled him to a stoppage. A top wrestler beats a top boxer 9/10 times as long as he has a good enough Chin to eat at least one punch on the way in. Once he has his hands locked on it is all but over.

On a side note, anybody saying that Boxing is not suited for MMA stand-up is kidding themselves. One must be aware of using too much head movement and bobbing and weaving because it can leave one open to being kicked or kneed, but used judiciously it is highly effective. The only thing that cannot cross over from Boxing to MMA is the stance, and to an extent, the footwork because those things leave one open to being easily put on the mat.

 

What is the "stance"?

 

And anaconda choke is applied from the front headlock postion, the arm triangle is applied from the side.

Whether it is unclear where Randy learned this choke, it has been a staple of submission wrestling as well as BJJ for decades, but both, to my knowledge take this move from Judo

So it's not a stretch to say it displayed ''pure'' wrestling, as a wrestler could have easily picked up this technique without any cross training. But I wont argue the point as Johnstown has now ****ed off

 

Neck Cranks and other arm chokes are a part of wrestling. Illegal but part of it (remember Liddell ragging on Hughes when he got that 'Schultz' choke at UFC 117). There's no reason to think Couture wouldn't have been able to do that before his BJJ training. As shown by his first fight against professional boxer Tony Halme.

 

It wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if Randy purposefully stuck to his wrestling as a ''**** you *****'' retort to Toney's constant wrestling is for ***git remarks

 

I know this, I actually forgot how he finished him, because I've only seen the fight once and don't plan to watch it again. And while it is a Judo and catch technique, Randy and the rest of Team Quest had a BJJ coach at the beginning so I would say he learned it along with the rest of his crash course in submission defense when he leapt into MMA.

Either way, a pure wrestler doesn't know any submissions. It is a sport of nothing but control and pins, though some of these can be used as chokes albeit illegally, so he would have had to have trained in some other discipline to do it properly. Doesn't matter though, without the submission he simply beats the **** out of him to a stoppage.

 

Seeing Toney tap was hilarious. Particularly after this very site swore blind that he was too much of a man to do so.

 

Again. Randy won his one first fight by submission which he took on two weeks notice while competing at a wrestling tournament. Sorry if my previous remark was too subtle.

 

Boxers stand in more of a straight line, MMA fighters break the rules and square up because you can't sprawl very well out of a Boxing stance.

 

Couture vs Toney is not a good example of this match up for obvious reasons.