hey addie you act like these guys could just come inside at will without getting any heat in return. Sounds like you talk about Lopez as if he was some average puncher. Lopez was a very sharp puncher, he knocked out a lot of guys.
He isn't moving up to Light Flyweight and knocking out a guy like Yuh, who had insane stamina and toughness on his side. I concede that Yuh would have to take shots too, but he didn't give anyone any reason to suggest he'd have a lot of trouble taking the shots from a hard hitting Minimumweight.
Why do you rank Yuh above those guys? Outside of the fact that he's had a lot of attention on these forums recently, of course.
My list would be. 1. Chang 2. Zapata 3. Roman 4. Gushiken 5. Lopez 6. Myung-Yuh 7. Moon 8. Gonzalez 9. Carbajal I think some of Moon's best wins were circumstantial, and I'm more impressed with Yuh on film and that coupled with his dominance and intangibles is why I rank him above Moon. I also rank him above Gonzalez and Carbajal because I think he has less weaknesses and would have beaten both of them. I'd have no arguments with anyone putting Yuh at the bottom.
Here would be my list. Jung-Koo Chang Ricardo Lopez Hilario Zapata Yoko Gushiken Sung-Kil Moon Gilberto Roman Myung-Woo Yuh Humberto Gonzalez Michael Carbajal
The wins over Roman and Zapata were circumstantial because they were done by that point, but the two knockout wins over Konadu certainly weren't. The only fighter he lost to anywhere near his prime was Khaokor, who he'd previously beaten by technical decision due to a headbutt from Khaokor that stopped the fight (Moon was up on the cards at the time). The two wins over Konadu and his KO streak against the top contenders of the era hold him in high esteem for me, as ugly as he may have been to watch.
I just thought he was a more impressive fighter, and he proved it against better competition, even when past his prime. I'd favor him in a bout between the two, in fact I'd bet money on it.
Interesting.....I feel Lopez was the more impressive and skilled fighter aswell as being the greater and more consistet fighter. I would of bet heavy money on Lopez beating Chang......
It all comes back to the point you made yesterday Pea about distinguishing effective styles and aesthetically pleasing styles. It has to be said that Galaxy beat the **** into him in the rematch, and Khaokor had never looked worse than when they first met. Full credit for the wins over Konadu. Despite your own rankings, do you feel Yuh has a case to be ranked above Moon?
He was obviously going to be more consistent against the hapless opposition he routinely faced. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think Chang would've swarmed all over the very textbook correct Lopez in a similar manner to how Harada did Jofre.
Not a strong one, but you could make the case depending on your criteria, such as if you simply favor consistency and title defenses over dominance and quality of opposition.
I think Yuh was a better fighter. He was more complete. If you gave Yuh Moon's power, he would have been pretty darn close to unbeatable in his division in my judgment. He needed to be "on" for 12 rounds nearly every time out because he didn't have the kind of power to knock someone out with a single shot, whereas Moon could have been getting his ears boxed off, and then lands something from left field and it's goodnight. Myung-Woo Yuh vs Sung-Kil Moon at 115lbs? Who takes it and why?