Put your own bias aside and look at a potential Ward-Bute fight...

I can see where you're coming from, but I think any slight speed advantage is negated by Ward's superior timing.

 

I enjoy reading your posts because it is obvious you know boxing. I hope you're right about the Hopkins fight. At some point the old man will hit the wall but hopefully he has some left in the tank. Also, I need to start getting some betting advice from you because you seem to make some really good value picks.

 

I'm not sure about that, I mean Ward definitely has better timing on the jab but I think Bute has excellent timing on his left.

 

Exactly, which is why I find these "Ward UD's Bute easy" posts quite ridiculous. Also, Bute is a southpaw and I don't think Ward has faced a southpaw before, certainly not at elite level.

 

Just out of curiosity, you're training Bute for Ward, what would you focus on?

 

That's a hard question Perhaps timing on a counter left when Ward tries to jump inside and constant movement, this is out of my league though so the answer is probably half-arsed

 

Maybe the answer is to train Bute, to be the best version of Bute he can be.

If you break Ward down, he's basically (he's anything but basic) textbook fundamentals, mixed in with athletic talent and the ability to improvise that a high IQ brings. This may be too many angles to cover during a training camp.

I'd have him work the heavy bag, I'd be reminding him all the time, pump your jab, don't flick it, change your body rythm, you can't be predictable, etc.

Sharpen Bute's technical skills, drive him into spartan like shape and work on his reactions, build his confidence up 'you're Lucian Bute, number one SMW in the world, nobody has beat you, nobody can beat you, you're better than Ward, teach him how to lose.'

I've never sat and watched Ward and made notes about his habbits (everyone makes mistakes, it's their habbits that you need to exploit) I've usually just sat and admired how Ward can dictate whoever's infront of him. I called how he'd beat Froch because from a techincal stand point Ward was so far evolved from Carl, and not physically out of his leauge. Bute has a little more polish, so I might sit down and watch 3 Ward fights at the gym tomorrow, see what I get.

 

I can't believe how overrated Ward is around here. To hear you guys, it's like he never gets touched in any of his fights.
NEWSFLASH! He's lost plenty of rounds. In fact, if one of you boxrec warriors wants to check, I'm sure he has lost more rounds than Bute has in their respective careers. Even to common opponents!

 

i think him being a southpaw is the key. if bute was an orthodox fighter i'd have it 80-20% for ward. since he's a lefty, i have it around 55-45% ward.
ward has a style i don't like. i know it's hard what he does and he makes it look easy but it just isn't appealing for me. the punch and grab etc type of boxing. not saying bute is spectacular or anything but i like his style more.
anyways, the fact that he's a lefty might make it a bit more difficult for ward since he isn't used to that and i see bute catching him with some power punches which could affect wards gameplan.
the only true thing we can say is, we can analyse this all we want, it all depends on "any given sunday". it depends who catches the better day etc. douglas-tyson could have been analysed and i doubt many would have seen that outcome. or they could have fought on a different day and tyson would have ko'd him early.
:thumbsup

 

Forget in-fighting. Nobody likes to get in close to Bute. It's too risky. The way Ward would "put his head into Froch's chest" left Ward SO exposed to getting his ribs cracked, I guarantee he won't try anything like that against Bute.
You all praise his adaptive ability. Well, that's what Ward will do: adapt. That means, against Bute, he will choose a cautious approach. He will pot-shot and run. He might borrow Dirrell's bicycle. Will that get him the win? Perhaps. But if you think it'll be a "destruction" or "domination" or "schooling", you're deluded.

 

:deal

if u've seen chronicles of riddick, when riddick kills the lord marshall at the end. that's sorta how i envision it

i think ultimately for bute, it's more larouche who will have to figure ward out. if he can see how to beat ward then i think bute will be able to. he listens to his coach almost religiously from what i've noticed and inbetween rounds he is always focused on what larouche has to say.

 

Drozzy holds Larouche in a real high regard, I don't know much about him if I'm honest, what do you think?