Puts Canelo's reputation into further jeopardy?

I don't think he should fight GGG at this point. His concentration will be affected by all this. and he needs to have a strong mind when he fights GGG.. Fight some lesser guys and he will do well.

 

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Its too late to worry about his reputation His Mexican countrymen disowned him a long time ago. Really if he was half the fighter he claims to be he'd never let a freak like Oscar ruin his career.Sorry but he;ll alwas be known as the coward that handed over his title. Then hegot busted CHEATING !! Forhet it Clenelo your goose is cooked

 

El Pollo can get by with anything, he does not have to go by the rules of boxing, plus, Oscar's judges will always be with him, the boxing commissions, etc. El Pollo knows that.................

 

It could motivate him to perform better in the rematch.

 

It's clear Canelo's reputation is in tatters. The hair follicle test did mitigate some of the blame but how the whole situation has been handled by the WBC and Goldenboy has been a total PR nightmare. Honestly they couldn't of mishandled this any worse, whether Canelo is a clean or dirty fighter he should definitely get rid of those people that have been advising him through this controversy.

The way the WBC came out and basically gave him their full support before the investigation was even completed immediately made it clear a cover up was being perpetrated, so even if there was any evidence to clear Canelo people would doubt the validity of it such as the hair follicle test. Nobody can trust that when it's clear the powers that be are moving heaven and earth to clear his name.

The fact he didn't immediately sign up to VADA and the fact the WBC didn't drop him from their rankings immediately just adds to the idea of collusion. Canelo should of signed up immediately he's literally stoked the fire by not doing so. This will now follow him for the rest of his career, he'll always be labelled as a cheat and his future opponents will definitely use that fact to play mind games and try to unnerve him prior to fights.

 

How about you take off the tinfoil hat for a minute. The WBC's headquarters are in Mexico, Sulaiman was well aware of the contaiminated meat problem in Mexico and brought this to the public's attention. How can you conclude from that that it indicates he was perpetuating a cover up?

LOL he didn't immediately sign up for VADA because he had just been suspended and removed from the VADA contract he was in. He had to sign a new contract with VADA. The WBC didn't drop him from their rankings immediately because the reports that he was not enrolled in VADA any longer did not come out immediately.

Things don't happen at super speed. There are discussions, meetings, etc that take place over a period of time to which Canelo and his team were reacting to.

Canelo didn't do anything to stoke the fire. He's cooperated fully and continues to do what is being asked of him, but yet that's still not enough to you.

This just goes back to what I was saying on Monday about how when he does what people demand of him (hair follicle test, re-enroll in VADA, etc) it's still not enough to some people. Just admit it, you're a hater, you are being extremely unreasonable and are conspiracy minded. There's no cover up and Canelo has gone above and beyond what he should be doing to clear his name every step of the way. Just because it hasn't happened fast enough for you doesn't mean there was some WBC cover up or collusion lol.

 

I love the way some Canelo fans are trying to forget that he refused to enrol in VADA in the first place.

Canelo enrolled because of the fan pressure, GBP had originally tried to use this as a bargaining counter against GGG but the fan and media reaction was too strong.

 

I would think he is advising himself. He clearly dosent think he can beat Triple G cleanly or at the very least wants a boost from the juice. If he was on the juice in the 1st fight as almost all suspect. He clearly wants that advantage going into the 2nd. I suppose a tainted image is easier to clean up post Canelo vs triple G 2, better then getting sparked the **** out in the late rounds becuase he ran out of juice. (Easier to bounce back from imo)
Once he gets past triple G rematch he can go back to bullying/feasting on bums & doing some PR work / community services.

 

Lol strong cope.

A governing body is meant to be impartial, what they don't do is make sweeping statements about the guilt or innocent of a boxer before any investigation has been done. Did Sulaiman make such a statement when other boxers failed tests? Nope he waited for the full investigation before claiming a fighter's guilt or innocence. Why didn't they handle Stiverne and Povetkin in the same way. While he maybe aware of meat contamination he can't just jump to conclusions, to do so showed his bias.

Also how come when the WBC released their list of fighter not enrolled Canelo was missing? It was known at the time he wasn't enrolled, yet according to the WBC he was. Pressure from the media forced them to remove him for their rankings, another sign of bias.

The first reports of Canelo not being enrolled came out on the day he was suspended. So the idea the reports came later is a lie. Canelo had about a month where he wasn't enrolled after the first reports came out, why did it take him a month to enrol, why did he only wait until he was dropped from the rankings. Does it really take a month to enrol?

"On the same day Canelo Alvarez’s temporary PED-related suspension was extended to six months, the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association’s president stated that Alvarez isn’t currently enrolled in VADA’s testing program."

Canelo may not have intentionally stoked the fire it was the incompetence of how the whole affair was handled that has done that. He might even be innocent but with the way this whole debacle was botched from beginning to end tarnishes his reputation and this is coming from a former Canelo fan who thought he beat GGG.

 

Reading Big Dan's article from yesterday, it appears to clear up some misconceptions about Canelo testing situation since the suspension.

Coincidentally, the Nevada State Athletic Commission sent its own drug tester to Alvarez's hometown of Guadalajara, Mexico, to test him on Monday -- taking blood and urine for the first time since he was suspended -- once the commission determined it was within its rights to test him. Alvarez was cooperative, according to De La Hoya. The test results won't be available for approximately five days.

So even prior to Canelo signing the new contract with VADA, he was apparently subject to random testing by the NSAC, and on Monday the NSAC conducted a test in Guadalajara. The article indicated that the NSAC had to first "determine it was within its rights to test him" before sending a tester from Nevada down there. So it appears that there was an internal decision amongst the NSAC that took a few weeks as to whether or not they could send a guy down there to test Canelo.

In the article De La Hoya is quoted as saying "What people don't know is Canelo is getting randomly tested by the Nevada commission,".

I don't know what to make of all this or whether what Dan is writing is even accurate. But it sounds like the NSAC conducted a blood and urine test on Monday in Mexico before Canelo announced he was re-enrolling in VADA.

Now, a lot of posters on here have been acting like Canelo was able to use this time off to take PEDs. Well that doesn't sound like that was the case since apparently the NSAC were within their rights to test him at any time and Canelo must have been aware that he could be tested. Further, the idea that it was fan pressure that forced him to re-enroll in VADA is unclear, from the sound of it, it could have had more to do with to the fact that the NSAC tested him on Monday.

For them to send someone down there on Monday to take a blood and urine sample shows that Alvarez was subject to random testing by the NSAC even prior to re-enrolling in VADA. I just find it interesting that the article stated that the NSAC had to determine if it was within their rights to test Alvarez who was in Mexico.

 

State doping controls are a joke to be honest which is why people now demand more stringent testing from bodies like VADA.

We all remember when RJJ failed a test in 2000 and the state athletic commission in Indiana allowed the fight to continue and it was covered up until 2003.

Then we had fluid-gate with Mayweather and the UFC fighter Nick Diaz was allowed to fight in Nevada after failing 2 out of 3 tests prior to a fight.

 

As far as I know, he didn't jump to conclusions or make any sweeping statements, he informed the public that meat contamination is a distinct possibility due to his being aware of the problem in Mexico since the WBC is stationed there. And by the way, the full investigation revealed pretty much nothing concrete about whether or not Canelo's test was a result of meat contamination.

Why didn't they handle Stiverne and Povetkin in the same way? Because the drugs that Stiverne and Povetkin tested positive could not have been due to meat contamination !

As far as I know, it was not known at the time that he wasn't enrolled. I see you said that the VADA president announced he wasn't enrolled, that I'd imagine happened automatically since the fight was cancelled and he was suspended. As far as I know, being enrolled in VADA qualifies you for the WBC's Clean Boxing Program. Canelo was enrolled in VADA up until the suspension so he wasn't on the not enrolled list. Was there a new "not enrolled" list that came out in the last week or so that Canelo wasn't on? I think there's a lot of misinformation and delayed information that's been reported, which answers a lot of the questions you have.

The first reports of Canelo not being enrolled in what? VADA? Who was reporting this the day he got suspended? We know that Sanchez was complaining about throughout the process, is the reporting you are referring to of Sanchez's statements about Canelo and his issues with how the process was being handled? Just because something gets reported doesn't mean it's accurate. I'm guessing what happened was that as a result of the fight getting cancelled and / or the suspension, Canelo's contract with VADA became automatically obsolete, so they would have to draw up a new contract. Why did it take him a month to re-enroll? Well based on Big Dan's article, it sounds like he was under the impression that he was going to be randomly tested by the NSAC like he was on Monday.
It seems to me that it wasn't until last week that the news reports about him not being enrolled in VADA really started to gain traction.

Also from Big Dan's article, it sounds to me like up until recent weeks, Golovkin wasn't enrolled in out-of-competition testing either because it states :

Before the fight with Martirosyan, Golovkin, a strong testing advocate, said he would re-enroll in VADA to continue out-of-competition testing. "I contacted VADA to re-enroll him and continue the testing he was doing for the fight on May 5," Loeffler said.

"It hasn't started yet but I'd imagine it will by next week."

So Golovkin apparently wasn't enrolled in out-of-competition testing either, and from the sound of it Golovkin still isn't being tested yet. Why is this important? Well it shows that there's nothing unusual about Canelo not re-enrolling right away after the fight was cancelled. Obviously both camps are in negotiations and once Golden Boy learned that Loeffler had contacted VADA to re-enroll Golovkin, then Golden Boy agreed that since Golovkin agreed to out-of-competition testing, Canelo should agree to it also.

 

Sulaiman stating "Canelo can't be found guilty of doping" is not a sweeping statement? He clearly assumed that Canelo ate tainted meat but had no proof of that, it was a possibility but not fact and instead of being impartial displayed bias which only damaged Canelo's cause. He also wrongly concluded Canelo couldn't be found guilty of doping, well he was clearly wrong.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/04/sulaiman-canelo-cannot-be-found-guilty-of-doping/

Whether the fight is cancelled or not should not result in Canelo enrolling or exiting the WBC's clean boxing program. A tenant of the program is out of competition random testing, if a fighter can simply quit the program between fights, dope, stop then re-enroll it defeats the purpose of the clean boxing program. Enrolment is mandatory you can't just pick and choose when to be tested. So he should of never at any stage not been enrolled especially after he failed 2 tests. Even Fury was being tested throughout the time he was being investigated by UKAD, he missed 2 tests and failed one for cocaine during that debacle yet Canelo is not being tested by VADA after failing 2 tests, that is highly suspicious or shows a level of incompetence that is mind boggling.

The fact Canelo wasn't enrolled was revealed on the day of his suspension the 18th April. 2 days later the WBC released their list which suggested he was enrolled, which again is suspicious or shows incompetence from the WBC as Sulaiman himself highlighted the importance if Canelo being tested year round on the 18th April. Maybe it was a clerical error and if so Canelo should be livid because it only adds to the idea that the WBC are willing to bend over backwards to help Canelo which adds to the idea they are colluding together and can't be trusted.

https://www.*******.com/vada-canelo-not-currently-enrolled-testing-program--127303

Yes VADA. It was reported by a number of sources on the day of his suspension. Media were likely present and a number of people from VADA gave interviews to confirm at that time Canelo was not enrolled in VADA. Including the VADA president and Dr Margaret Goodman.

"Dr. Margaret Goodman, head of the Voluntary Anti-Doping Assn. that secured Alvarez's positive tests, was asked whether Alvarez was enrolled in the WBC's clean boxing program, which demands year-round drug testing."

"I don't have him enrolled at this time," Goodman said.

I assume the reports are correct as there are multiple sources which corroborate one another.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-canelo-ggg-20180418-story.html

While Golovkin too should be enrolled year round like every fighter, what he does or doesn't do is immaterial as it doesn't clear Canelo. Even if GGG fails a test tomorrow it doesn't make Canelo seem any less guilty.

And no I don't think it should be a normal practive for any fighter to enroll and exit VADA testing as they like. It's meant to be year round testing if GGG is also picking and choosing when to be tested he should be stripped of the WBA titles which mandate year round VADA testing.

 

Whatever that was supposed to mean. Use your words...