Putting Crawford's Domination & Stoppage of Errol Spence Jr. Into Its Proper Perspective.

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  1. Manfred

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    You know, there are posters on here that can break down a fight and fighters in an intelligent and comprehensive manner, whether you agree with them or not. You can still appreciate their thoughtfulness in how they present their case. Then you got these Buzzards, who's only aim is to feed on a weak and vulnerable fighter. Thier whole post consists of bogus ass statements and self serving phrases. They ride on the coat tails of legitimate posters like those little fish that swim under sharks bellies feeding on the sharks scraps. Totally worthless. You know who you are. Most of yall was picking Spence to win until he lost, then yall set in on him like a bunch of buzzards/
     
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  2. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some valid points here but the thing that makes bud special is his ability to make adjustments on the fly either coming forward or on the back foot, his ability to maintain his composure and his balance regardless of what he is facing in the ring.
    He can throw any shot and change at the last second and still carry power, he can throw an uppercut and turn it into a hook or jab at the last second while sliding off at angles and then either follow it up with combinations at will and always keeping perfect range.
    People talk about fighters with great footwork fury, usyk and lomanchenko and they do have great footwork but bud has something else he has poise and purpose, that’s the difference for me and what makes him so good.
    There’s so many things that make him special I could go on for days and I was saying all this years ago, he has an ability to see things other fighters can’t see, it’s like certain footballers are just one step ahead of everyone else and have an ability to read the game and see passes that nobody else can see, he has the equivalent in a boxing ring.
    So name another boxer who has the same composure, name another boxer that has better balance, name another boxer with more purposeful footwork, name another boxer can gauge the range better, name another boxer who can adjust his shots on the front or back foot, if you love boxing I can’t see a way that you can’t just love watching him fight, every time I’ve watched him fight it’s been like watching a kitten play with a ball of string.
    Mayweather was appreciated for his skill in the art of hit and not get hit which was impressive, but was a little one dimensional. Crawford is comfortable fighting any fight and has the ability and versatility to adapt and nullify any opponent.
    Please appreciate this man and his talent, it’s only the lack of opponents of equal talent that will hamper his legacy.
    The Spence fight didn’t change much for me and I was never worried for a second, I just think that his talent shines through in every fight.
     
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  3. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Already been stated Spence wasn’t sure if his teeth went with his mouthpiece vs Danny and Ugas. He got a better mouthpiece and we didn’t see any of that vs Crawford.

    He said he didn’t care if he got knocked out, he was more worried about being embarrassed by everyone seeing him with no teeth.
     
  4. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    I think Crawford would have defeated absolutely prime Soence, but not as easily as he beat offbalance sweating Spence. Good win, but would have been sweeter 5 years ago.
     
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  5. Darni187

    Darni187 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haha No chance Adam too young and green for Crawford, Crawford wins easy right now..

    Adam is the next gen ... but this is the Crawford era right now..
     
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  6. Glass City Cobra

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    His breakdown is laughable because Spence fought the best opponents available and didn't duck anyone. The way CST is framing it suggests Spence's team had no confidence in him and carefully maneuvered around the division. Yet Spence would do ballsy things like fighting Danny right after his car crash or fighting Ugas right after his eye surgery. They were willing to fight Brook before the GGG fight, they were willing to fight Pacquiao right after his dominant signature win over Thurman. They fought Crawford after a 1+ year layoff with no turn up full of confidence. Absolutely nothing in his career suggests Spence was cherry picking and avoiding tough fights.

    His chin was never in question other than getting wobbled by Ugas and rocked by Porter once in dozens of fights without touching the canvas. People are always quick to question a fighter's durability based on milliseconds of vulnerability. Crawford doesn't simply hit hard, he's sharp, accurate, and good at timing people. Combine that with Spence's lack of defense and constantly going on the attack instead of backing off or holding and the KO was almost inevitable.

    Spence was a good fighter but Crawford was simply better. Crawford had a great game plan, stuck to it, and countered the hell out of Spence who had no answer for the holes in his game. People aren't used to seeing devastating losses because guys aren't fighting each other enough, that's what happens when you actually fight the best competition available. You're going to take losses.
     
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  7. JOKER

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    Spence was dead on the scales and even deader walking into the ring. That man looked seriously drained and seriously ill. He could have probably benefited from some IVs.
     
  8. Glass City Cobra

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    Where are all these murderous punchers with high KO% Spence was supposed to fight at 147...?
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Totally different conversation dude. Maybe Spence was drained, maybe he wasn't. He's been 147 his whole career and could've moved up years ago but chose to stay to make this fight happen. I don't want to take away from Crawford's win unless there's objective proof something was wrong with him.
     
  10. JOKER

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    Spence should have moved up 2-3 fights ago, but he had enough talent to get by basic Danny and basic Ugas. And then there was 16 months of inactivity and that certainly didn't help. It was basically one fight too long and he was completely spent. Look at the ring walk - there was seriously something wrong with Spence. His eyes were dead. And then you look at how every single punch by Crawford rocked him to the core. I mean come on, Crawford hits hard and he's accurate, but Spence was disfigured and the doctor checked on him after Round 3 and he hadn't even taken a beating by then (the KD was flash-ish and partially landed on the neck, so 50/50 balance and punch).

    Spence deserves major credit for sticking around and trying to become undisputed. But this decision cost him and I imagine it cost him dearly. The man is probably done.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

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    Literally all of this is wrong.

    Mikey called him out, Spence laughed it off, and Mikey insisted on fighting only to get utterly dominated. Mikey was on the p4p list and was talking trash saying Spence was just a big slugger and that he had higher ring IQ. Spence basically boxed his head off with a jab to prove a point.

    Porter was a world champion. Are you saying there is shame in going life and death with 1 of the 4 best fighters in his division?

    There was nothing close about the Danny fight. :lol: The timeline is also off, he fought Danny after the accident showing huge balls proving a point that he didn't need a tuneup.

    There was nothing close about the Ugas and Pac fight, Ugas bullied Pac and was in control for nearly the entire match.

    People ranked him p4p because he had 3 belts and was dominating his division.
     
  12. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey Glass, not saying it applies to Shawn, but the strap holders can be pretty shite. Going life and death with Paul Butler, Caleb Plant, or in recent heavyweight history Martin or Stiverne wouldn't be an optimistic prediction of a great career.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    I see your point, but Porter certainly wasn't on the level of Plant, Martin, or *chuckle* Stiverne. I mean I'm not saying Porter was some super duper A class elite ATG, but that's an insult to compare him to those guys.

    P4P, Porter had better stamina, inside fighting, a better jab, footwork, heart, work rate, etc than them. Porter was also on a good 4 fight win streak against decent to world class fighters before facing Spence. He carried his belt with class and wasn't ever out of shape like the slob Stiverne, suffered brutal KO loss to an old man like Martin, etc.

    So I stand by what I said, going life and death with a decent belt holder like Porter who always gave it his all isn't embarrassing for Spence.
     
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