Putting on weight before a fight. It makes sense to many of the best.

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Jazzo, Aug 17, 2010.


  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm fairly certain that they gain mass through strength training. They look nothing like bodybuilders. David Haye, not so much.
     
  2. Onepunch

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    I think you're failing to understand what bodybuilding training is.

    strength training = low volume low rep high weight

    mass training = higher volume high rep lower weight

    Whether or not they look like a bodybuilder, to gain mass in a short period of time they are probably bodybuilding.
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    This is just so tired. And most of all very inaccurate.
     
  4. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Strength training combined with eating a **** ton of food can gain you 2lb a week. Bodybuilding, I wouldn't know, as I've never done it.

    Guys built like the Klitschkos (relatively thin) can gain weight quickly through strength training. I don't know their routines, they may in fact follow a hypertrophy program, but it seems to work for them.

    I don't know why an amateur would want to bulk up to 250 though, unless he's like 6'6.
     
  5. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :thumbsup Strength and size are intrinsic. Dont let anyone try and fool you otherwise.
     
  6. Onepunch

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    not really. strength is about neuromuscular coordination, which is why bodybuilders are much bigger than powerlifters in general and yet not nearly as strong.

    read 'Science and Practice of Strength Training' by Zatiorsky

    and 'Practical Programming' by Mark Rippetoe
     
  7. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Dont need to. This is a common misperception. What most fail to grasp is Bodybuilding and Powerlifting require seperate types of muscle memory and technique. Trust me theres a slew of pro BB's that are just as strong as some of the best power lifters in the game. Matter of fact there are many BB's that train in both disciplines and guys that have crossed over between both sports. Sven Carlsen Johnnie Jackson Branch Warren Markhus Ruhl Ronnie Coleman Chris Cormier Glenn Ross and Mark Felix to name but a few.

    As for BB's being bigger again thats a common misperception. Theres very few BB's competitvely over 300lbs. Theres a ton of powerlifters weighing in at anything between 300 and 400lbs.
    I met Savickas at the Seni Expo he's a mountain of a man and weighs in at close to 400lbs. Pretty much all succesful strong men/power lifters are well over 300lbs. I cant name any succesful BB's other than Ronnie Coleman who were close to 300lbs come contest.
     
  8. Onepunch

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    firstly, the word you are looking for is misconception

    secondly, powerlifting (just like bodybuilding) has weight classes. If you put a PL and a BB together of the same weight the Powerlifter will be stronger 9 times out of 10.

    Powerlifting training is proven to be better at building strength, read my sources before you reply about this 'misperception' and provide proof.

    ..oh and bodybuilders who cross over into powerlifting also change their training regime.
     
  9. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Putting on muscle is fine as long as long as you're working on everything else and keepin your cardio up.
     
  10. scurlaruntings

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    Negative i mean MISPERCEPTION.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Misperception

    And im not disagreeing that powerlifting is better for building strength as this is a regime that MANY BB's adopt.

    What i am disagreeing on is the percieved notion that Powerlifters are defacto stronger than BB's. Its simply not true.
     
  11. KillSomething

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    A 300lb bodybuilder, dehydrated and at 2.2% body fat and a 300lb powerlifter, well-hydrated and at 20+% body fat are two very different things.
     
  12. scurlaruntings

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    Theres not one BB past or present at 300lbs with a BF that low. Stop pulling figures out of your ass. 2% is essential fats needed to stay alive. You'd be on life support if you were that low. The only BB at 5% was Ronnie Coleman and he was 295lbs for the 2004 Olympia. He also happens to be the greatest BB of all time along with Lee Haney 8 Sandows.

    Either way their hydration is irrelavent. No ones talking about their performance contest time. They dont walk around at that weight all year in that shape.
     
  13. Onepunch

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    It is conceivable that there will of course be some ridiculously strong bodybuilders but I would suggest that at over 90% of the time a powerlifter will be stronger.
     
  14. KillSomething

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    Obviously an exaggeration. And the hydration is important because water has weight.

    The point is that if a powerlifter and a bodybuilder were at the same weight, same body fat, and neither one was dried out, I'd say the powerlifter is the stronger man much more often than not.

    Nobody's saying bodybuilders aren't strong, but it's common knowledge that powerlifters are usually stronger. If bodybuilders were stronger....why would anybody powerlift?