Q: what is the difference between Adrien Jerome "The Problem" Broner & Kevin Blue "Kingpin" Johnson?

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  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Broner was/is/will always be a hype job.
     
  2. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Kingpin seems to be a nice guy outside the ring.

    Broner in contrast is a detestable person.
     
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  3. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Bet you can't name all of the guys he beat to win those belts.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    Does anyone think with a few more lucky breaks (a`la Charles Martin) it would be that inconceivable for Johnson to have picked up a belt or two along the way?

    The whole multiple division thing is much ado for a trifle, unless the opposition beaten during the climb is noteworthy. Posting up in one division and clearing out elite contenders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boiling yourself down to bantamweight (if you're naturally a light middle) and swooping in like a vulture to feast on every paper champ on the ascent through even nine divisions. Time we stopped glorifying deep-cutting weight bullies.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I don’t Kevin Johnson beat a single top ten contender in his career.
     
  6. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Broners brain cell must be the loneliest on the planet!
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There was a time when it was just one governing body, then 2, then 3, now 4, who's knows eventually might be half a dozen "big" governing bodies.

    The first 4 weight world champion I think was Hearns' in an era when there were 3 major belts. There's a reason why there wasn't a 4 weight world champion before then because having fewer titles in the past made it harder to do.

    Look at the list of 3 weight champions, only 7 of the 50 odd guys that have been triple weight world champions did so before the formation of the 3rd major body the IBF.

    As titles have proliferated it's been easier for fighters to pick and choose their way to belts while moving up and not always having to fight the very best in the division like in previous era's when there was only 1 or 2 belts.

    So Broner or anyone else winning titles at 4 weights in an era of 4 major belts is not as impressive as a fighter doing so in an era when there are fewer belts.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    Alex Leapai, Solomon Haumono, and Francesco Pianeta were all ranked top 15 in at least one major org as of when Johnson knocked each of them out. Is that a wonderful list of trophies rather than a sad indictment of the heavyweight era - maybe not, but. Yeah.

    His best actual result in all honesty is probably drawing with young unbeaten Timur Ibragimov. :nusenuse:
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    Well, it got some rigorous exercise last night courtesy of Pacquiao's straight lefts. :sisi1
     
  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Broner has sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies and Johnson doesn't
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    Look me in the proverbial eyes and tell me you think Broner's title reign opposition is better than McCarter's:

    • Broner @ super feather beat V-Mart Rodriguez to capture the (vacant) belt, defended against Eloy Perez & Chente Escobedo.
    • Broner @ lightweight beat Antonio DeMarco to capture the belt, defended against Gavin Rees.
    • Broner @ welterweight beat Paulie Malignaggi to capture the belt, then lost it to Maidana.
    • Broner @ light welterweight beat Carlos Molina to capture the (vacant) belt, defended against Emmanuel Taylor, was stripped, beat Khabib Allakhverdiev to recapture it, was stripped, and beat Ashley Theophane to recapture it again.

    5x champ, thrice won a vacant belt. 10-2 in world title fights. His best victories in world title fights being Malignaggi, Allakhverdiev, DeMarco, and Taylor...with the other 6 being actual garbage (as in soggy banana peels, used condoms, and drug store receipts).

    • McCarter @ featherweight beat Sandra Yard to capture the belt, defended against Jo Wyman & Tracy Byrd.
    • McCarter @ light welterweight beat Lisa Holewyne to capture two unified belts.
    • McCarter @ lightweight beat Belinda Laracuente to capture the (vacant) belt, then unified it with the WBA belt in her first defense against Donna Biggers, and made a second against Melissa Hernandez...then lost the belts to Hernandez in a rematch, then beat Dominga Olivo to recapture the GBU and female ATG Jelena Mrdenovich to recapture the WBA, then defended against Loli Munoz & Fujin Raika.
    • McCarter @ light middleweight beat undefeated Noni Tenge to capture the (vacant) belt.
    • McCarter @ welterweight beat Victoria Cisneros to capture two (vacant) belts, and then defended both against Eva Bajic.

    8x champ, thrice won vacant belts. 13-4-3 in world title fights. Her best victories in world title fights being Mrdenovich, Hernandez, Yard, and Holewyne...and I'll be honest, I don't really know enough about the women's side of the sport to comment on the rest, as far as their proportionate quality (bearing in mind that women's records are often uglier than men's, just as MMA records are, with rivalries full of successive rematches extending well beyond trilogies very commonplace).


    Now, you better damn well have done your homework and know a FUCK-TON about women's boxing if you're prepared to defend Vicente Martin Rodriguez, Eloy Perez, Vicente Escobedo, Gavin Rees, Carlos Molina, or Ashley Theophane as BETTER world title fight opponents than anybody McCarter fought in hers. :deal:
     
  12. Boxing Prospect

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    Can throw Naoko Fujioka in if we're talking women's boxing.
    Beat Anabel Ortiz for her first title, at 105, defended twice then jumped up to 115 (skipping 2 weight classes) to dethrone big punching Naoko Yamaguchi for WBA title. Moved to Bantamweight to beat Hee Jung Yuh for a vacant title, defended against Shindo Go in what was a brutal fight by all accounts. Dropped down in weight to dethrone Isabel Millan at a Flyweight dropped again to beat Yokasta Valle for a vacant light Flyweight title

    She's 10-2, a 5 weight champion with wins against
    Anabel Ortiz
    Victoria Argueta
    Naoko Yamaguchi
    Shindo Go
    Isabel Millan
    Yokasta Valle
    Irma Sanchez

    And has wins over Naoko Shibata and Mariana Juarez in non world title bouts
     
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  13. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    To be honest, I see Broner, and I dont see a bad fighter. I see him, and I see a talented guy, a very good fighter. But then, he cant do **** in the ring for whatever reason.

    But I swear that when I see him fighting I say, "well, look at that, he's not so bad, acually, I would say he's really really good", but then.... nothing. Why? no freaking idea, since his talent he should perform way way way better, but he just cant.

    This guy's problem is in his head. Something is not working in there, that's the only reason I can guess. :nusenuse:
     
  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He does clearly have some talent and yes his mental game is severely lacking. He simply never had the desire or mentality to make the most of his talent. He's lazy and likes the party lifestyle too much and so we have a talented guy with a limited skill set which at the top end of the sport is never going to be enough.
     
  15. MarcelCerdan13

    MarcelCerdan13 Member Full Member

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    Kingpin is capable of not only perceiving reality, but even offering meaningful insights about it at times.