Qualitative Power

I can't think of a power puncher who wasn't heavy handed.

 

A fast timed ko punch is like the type that Tyson delivered. (in his prime).

The concussive type punching is more like Foreman.

Is this the differentiation you are getting at?

I too am wondering about this. They tyson type is more damaging when it actually scores the KO. But when it doesnt ko the opponent, i often wonder which is the more damaging type of punch. I am not sure. Does anyone have an opinion?

 

maybe you're referring to cute slick types. the ones always making their opponents do a little chicken dance with sneaky shots.

 

oh yeah I can see what you're talking about. I can't quite describe the motion but it is like they have logs of wood for arms. you can see it with guys like Lennox and Wlad. I guess that's what you would call heavy handed. Holmes on the other hand looked like he was piercing air with his right hands. it's interesting.

I do think Roy Jones Jr. was heavy handed though.

 

i have no idea, but heres a guess

Ke = (1/2m)v^2
(1/2m)(second V^2 - first V^2) = work

first v=0 (fist is not moving)
second v = speed of fist prior to impact

thus Ke prior to impact = Work in this case

work = ke = force of impact * distance

ke = force of impact *distance

ke/distance = force of impact

Im not about to claim this is correct in any way though perhaps some one can expand on this or tell me its completely wrong.

but if it is correct it would infer that something with more mass and less velocity would increase distance and decrease the force of impact while something with less mass but more velocity would move the object less but increase the force of impact....or maybe not.

also as Ke = 1/2 m*v^2 it would infer that velocity is exponentially more important then mass as far as work is concerned.

 

Henry Cooper .
Heavyhanded punchers are of the George Foreman ilk.
Why one man has power and another does not is, and shall remain, a mystery,you can teach a man leverage ,and stance but timing is ,to a large extent innate.
I think Seamus is on a wild goose chase here.

 

You might be over-analysing things a bit.

Power (in boxing) usually means the ability to put an opponent on ***** street. Whether that's by one massive shot or an accumulation of lesser shots.

A massive shot might render an opponent unconscious, but a lesser shot, properly angled, might cut an opponent open and further lesser shots might open a cut further, leading to a stoppage.

And at the end of it all, a single instance of power comes down to MASS x VELOCITY SQUARED.

Two points regarding this. Velocity is a vector, so direction plays a role. A shot 'head-on' will deliver more energy than one coming at an angle.


And speed plays a bigger role as energy is proportional to the square of the speed.


Final point. I hate to give the chin-checkers more ammo, but the durability of the opponent will play some role in at least the appearance of a boxer's power.

 

The POWER of the punch can be gauged by its EFFECT .

Of course, the fighter who gets hit has faculties of RESISTANCE and ABSORPTION which can vary greatly from fighter to fighter, and from moment to moment - requiring us to make 'general' judgements about the 'general' power of a single punch or the punches of fighter X in general .

It's simple.
But it isn't quite.

 

Interesting topic. And it sure makes for an interesting sport, doesn't it?

Precision and accurate punching perhaps is the key. Everyone loves the sluggers hitting heavy bags. It is really something to watch Liston doing this kind of thing. Scary. But opponents usually don't stand there and let them land those kinds of punches.


Like Botha mentioned above. He had the oddball style of his and threw a real quick one two. It was like the jab landed and blinded the opponent for a millisecond and then came that quick follow up right hand. and the opponent could not handle it.

I always liked the perfect shot landed by the boxers. But it is hard to explain in a topic like this, compared to the big punchers. Like when Calvin Grove caught Fenech. If there was going to be a ko & 1 punch victory in that fight I thought it'd be Fenech. But that was a picture perfect right hand that landed perfectly on Fenech--a guy that had a chin even at that stage of his career.


So I wonder if it is a style thing afterall. And how it factors in when matched with the defense of the opponent. You still have to have a recipient in there for the punch thrown. An accommodating defense or openings for that big shot to have that effect.

 

I can see what you're saying, but i respectfully disagree