Quality over Quantity

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by HolDat, Feb 10, 2022.


  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leo Randolph is a forgotten man largely because his career was so short.

    An amateur National Golden Gloves and AAU champion at flyweight, he also took Olympic gold in the Class of 1976 along with Howard Davis, Ray Leonard, Michael Spinks, Leon Spinks of the USA team.

    He didn’t want to turn pro but changed his mind in 1978 because he saw others of his class making money and figured why not.

    In his career he went 17-2, winning the WBA super bantamweight title in his next to last pro fight and losing it in his first defense. He really didn’t like boxing, or at least pro boxing, so he retired voluntarily and still lives and works in the Seattle area.

    From start to finish, his 19-fight pro career lasted 2 years, 50 days.

    According to Wikipedia, he had the shortest career (in terms of calendar length) of any world champion.
     
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  2. Kosst Amojan

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    I forgot to name James John Corbett, who had arguable an even better opposition than Jeffries (although longer amateur career) and had likely the hardest competition of a heavyweight in the first 10 - 15 pro fights (aside of Rademacher).

    Also can be mentioned Oleg Maskajew.
     
  3. PittSteel

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    Carl Froch.
     
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  4. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Total nonsense.Corbett has one of the very worst resumes of any heavyweight champion!
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’ll throw Troy Dorsey into the conversation.

    Won a featherweight title in the middle of a a 30-fight career that saw him go 15-11-2 — a bit deceiving because he first fought for a championship at 9-2-2 and was fighting upper-class competition by his 10th or 11th fight. And from that first failed title attempt against Jorge Paez (split decision loss) on he was fighting contenders and world-class guys almost exclusively the rest of the way.

    Troy was a kickboxing before moving to boxing so he accelerated his career pace based on that combat sports experience.
     
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  6. Kosst Amojan

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    You are a hater who can't be objective (as you discredit most white boxers)!

    Corbett fought at least 9 world class boxers, what is almost 2/3 of his record. So he has percentual likely a better opposition than Ali: He has Choyinsky, Jackson, Sullivan, Mitchel, Killrain, Fitzsimmons, Sharkey and two times Jeffries in his record (all of it are arguable top 50 of all time, 4 - 5 might be top 30). Name me one boxers who fought such opposition in the first 15 or 16 pro fights!
     
  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Choynsky was a 20 years old novice,Sullivan was a washed up 34 years old alcoholic who hadnt fought for 3 years,Mitchell was a middleweight who hadnt fought for 2 years Kilrain was more noted as BK fighter and Corbett lost his fights with Fitz and Jeffries and one of those with Sharkey.
    I don't care what colour a fighter is I just dislike stupid comments like,
    Lazslo Papp is an ATG middle and Artur Grigorian is an ATG fighter when I know neither remark is true.
     
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  8. Saintpat

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    In 28 fights, Ingemar Johansson won a heavyweight championship and won the Euro title a couple of times.

    He two losses were also in world title bouts.

    Then he retired and made some good investments and lived happily ever after.

    Not bad for a short career.
     
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I believe Jimmy Britt is the king here. Atleast of those retied.
     
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  10. Kosst Amojan

    Kosst Amojan Active Member banned Full Member

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    You know likely that neither of your comments doesn't matter here (or if not, if shows your lack of intelligence); as the same can apply for every boxer, but all the opponents are at least one of the 65 greatest heavyweight ever. Also did he fight other top 10 contenders as either Slattery, heself was novice when he fought Choyinsky (so like Ibeabuchi vs. Tua, but both are higher rated all time), Sullivan was big favourite (34 is not old for a heavyweight; Wilder was older in the second fight vs. Fury), Killrain and Mitchel challenged before for the Heavyweight world championship, in many views won he against Peter Jackson and against Plaster-Fitz was he rusty (2 - 3 years retired) but narrowly turned it in his favour. Winning is not all, as he showed big effort vs. Jeffries (like Foreman and Holmes vs. Holyfield and McCall) and the defeat vs. Sharkey was questionable.

    But usually of have it not so close with the truth (like Nicholson never won against Ruiz, Folley was robbed vs. Mildenberger among others) and you often repead your lies...
    As you picked out few details here from the whole story and hide the rest.

    It seems you have more trouble in understanding the English language than me; as I have to fix/ remind you the title of this topic is: Quality over Quantity
    None of the stuff you complainted/ moaned about does suit to this subject.
    But my names perfectly fit into it, especially if you read all of the contend.

    By the way Laszló Papp is since several decades in the international Hall of Fame.
     
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