QUARTERFINALS: The All-Time Heavyweight H2H Tourney- VITALI VS. LOUIS

How is there a vast difference? The footage shows they fought in the same style. No differrence at all. And Baer has a KO win over Schmeling.

Thats a better win for Baer than anybody on Vitalis record. Vitali could not even ko Chisora and nothing man Kingpin Johnson who just stood there right in front of him.

 

you're right there's no difference between athletes then and now... All athletes from the mid 1900's ran as fast, jumped as high, lifted as much and punched as hard as athletes today...

you're missing the part that today's athletes are just better conditioned (obviously there are exceptions) but records keep falling as athletic science evolves.

you can't tell me that Primo is the same as VK just like Marciano wasn't the Same as Tyson...you can be nostalgic or hate on the Klitschkos all you want but the fact remains that Today's athletes are bigger and stronger than their predecessors

 

Vitali easily.....

 

Boxing is a comabt sport therefor if you are going to make a comparsion make a relavant one because track and field sports bare no semblance to boxing.

Its a proven fact that boxers of old were better conditioned as they fought more often , for longer rounger rounds and at a higher pace.

Wlad gassed out many times in his career and had to change his whole style to low out-put so he would not gas out again. Show me a HW champion of the past who gassed out as manny times as Wlad?

Louis is proven against every big guy he fought. He never lost to a guy Vitali's size and took them all apart in brutal fashion.
Vitali is unproven agaist guys like Louis. He lost to guys far worse and smaller than Louis.

So who on Vitali's record proves he beat Louis?

 

stopped reading at that point as that was the dim voice at the back of my head to start with.

Seeing Joe in those old interviews, old footage, then Mr Kliterally looking down at him.

No brainer, Joe doesnt have teh size, strength, smarts or ability

 

I'm glad these "proven facts" have no sources whatsoever....

Pace- Show me an average punch count by heavyweight
Rougher? - seriously that's completely subjective
they did fight 15 rounds but that doesn't come into play too often with either fighter so that can be thrown out...


There is no way you can sit there and say that they were in better shape in the 40's and 50's...

VK has never "gassed out" so I'm not concerned with that either. Joe louis was 6'2 and lucky if he tipped the scales at 210 soaking wet

VK lost to LL (much larger) and Chris Byrd roughly the same size as JL but unless you're hoping for a shoulder injury you have no point here....

 

Well, bizarre though it may seem to some, the ATG Louis just falls short here IMO. Vitali's ring savvy and pure strength and determination to compliment it have him taking this esp. over the three. Louis' lightning fast combos only win him rounds and maybe a flash knock-down or 2 for me although I concede it's a hard match up to imagine really....

 

Vitali's two best opponents he ever fought were Lennox and Byrd. He managed to get "injured" and TKO'd in both of them. Conclusion?

Why couldn't Louis, better than both Lennox and Byrd, arguably a stronger puncher than both and leagues stronger than Byrd, and comparable in size to Byrd as well, manage to do the same?

C'mon guys, Vitali is far from invincible. Look at how Corrie Sanders, his third best opponent, who deserves no real respect when discussing the likes of Joe Louis, managed to make a real war out of Vitali for 7 or 8 rounds before succumbing to exhaustion from being out of shape.

None of the men Vitali fought had the killer instinct of Louis. Perhaps only one had equal power to him (and he beat prime Vitali as an old ass man). None had his ability to pressure. Few had his ability to keep a close distance and parry shots with great success. Few and perhaps none had his hand speed or combination punching talents.

Joe Louis >>>>>>>>>> at almost every single aspect of the fight game that any fighter Vitali has ever defeated, period. End of...

 

The last 2 pages you have shown complete inability to answer everything I have put your way.

Who on Vitali's record proves he can beat Joe Louis?

 

Sanders succumbed to exhaustion after round 3 like he did through most of his career.
In those rounds when Sanders was active he out boxed, counterd , picked apart and dropped Vitali.
This was the oldest and fattest version of Sanders in his very last fight. If Sanders was conditioned to go the full 12 , he would taken Vitali out.

 

Well I don't quite agree with that (especially since Sanders never had been in good condition). I think Vitali beats him at any point. But the fact that last-fight-before-retiring Sanders had the success he did speaks volumes to any argument of Vitali's invincibility through eras past.

By the way, if you are voting for Vitali and have never seen the Vitali vs. Sanders fight, then you really have no place voting at all. It is the second most exciting of his career to the Lennox fight and his most relevant victory as well.

The three best fighters Vitali faced:
-Lennox: TKO'd mid rounds
-Byrd: TKO'd late rounds
-Sanders: winner by TKO mid rounds
-big drop off in opposition after Sanders... we'd go to Sam Peter then probably Tomasz Adamek... and the further we go down from, shoot, even from Lennox, then the worse the argument for Vitali gets.

I really just don't think the sentiment of "average modern day athletes are superior to the best of years past" is the correct one. Louis sold short by the constantly frustrating uneducated opinions of contemporary trolling fans.

 

Well if Sanders was in his prime and well conditioned I can't see it going any differently to the Lewis fight with Sanders catching repeatedly and messing his face up.
He counterd him so easily it only stands to reason he would continue to do so.

Sanders was absolutely in terrible condition for the fight.

 

This poll proves how completely lobotomized most people on this forum are.

Vitali Klitschko's best win is Chris Fu##ing Arreola, yet they think he can beat Joe Louis.

I could beat Joe Louis too, guys! I just beat up a bunch of homeless guys the other day! And I looked like Muhammad Ali doing it! And I'm undefeated! Vote for me! I'm an ATG!

 

Honestly though spending time watching a number of Joe's fights he was there to get hit. just watch the Nathan Mann fight, Louis weighs in at 200 and Nathan looks much smaller than that but in the first 2 rounds he's landing left hooks and straight rights on Louis with no problem

Obviously a crusierweights speed doesn't transfer to Vitali but Louis' best defense was a good offense and the fact that Vitali in his prime was able to avoid many punches and what few good ones he got hit with didn't stop him or knock him down ( LL uppercut would have killed an average man lol) says to me that this would come down to who could take more punishment and even if you put their power on equal footing I think Vitali gets hit less and lands more...

I give you that Vitali has few big name wins but Louis probably fought a lot of fighters that wouldn't be heavy's today so the pendulum swings both ways

I don't recall if I made a prediction previously but if I did I'm revising it to Vitali via UD

 

Vitali lost to Byrd. Styles make fights. It was Byrd's elusiveness that contributed a lot to Vitali's shoulder injury. Yes, Vitali was landing, but he was also missing shots. He wanted to KO Byrd and threw his shoulder out in the process.

All Vitali had to do was coast, because he was clearly ahead in that fight. Yet, he said "it hurts too much" and took a tko for it. It's counted as a loss, whether a fan likes it or not. Credit to him for hanging in there as long as he did with a dislocated shoulder.