Ok, just as a prelim, I am absolutely fascinated by the history of the heavyweight championship. It is my favourite division in boxing and I have a great desire to learn more about it every day. Now before I spend the next few days of my life on this, i'd like to check if anyone knows if this information is readily available? I'd like to list all the lineal champions (easy enough) alongside their rein in years (easy enough) and the number of top ten opponents they beat (this is what will take time). I know this doesn't give a full picture to a fighters greatness, but it's a start. Eventually i'd like to include title claimants who never were lineal such as langford, wills, norton etc. So is there anywhere I can find this info readily or is it something i'm going to have to go away and do? The guys on my list will be: Sullivan Corbett Fitzsimons Jeffries Hart Burns Johnson Willard Dempsey Tunney Schmelling Sharkey Primo Baer Braddock Louis Charles Walcot Rocky Patterson Ingo Liston Clay/ali Frazier Foreman Neon Holmes Spinks Tyson Douglas Holyfield Bowe Moorer Briggs Lewis Rahman Vitali Wlad I'll be using the ring end of year rankings. I want to list how many top ten guys they beat, how many they defended against and how many fellow champs they beat. My goal is to compile this list and then develop a points system to rank every champ.
here's a list i made a while back for a website. Recognized heavyweight world champions through 1920 During this time "The National Police Gazette" usually named these fighters as their champion. Fighters are listed with the year they were recognized by the majority of fans and media as champion. John L. Sullivan - 1885 James J. Corbett - 1892 Bob Fitzsimmons - 1897 James J. Jeffries - 1899 Marvin Hart - 1905 Tommy Burns - 1906 Jack Johnson - 1908 Jess Willard - 1915 Jack Dempsey - 1919 "The Ring" Magazine heavyweight world champions "The Ring" was first published in 1922 and awarded a heavyweight world title along with ranking top 10 challengers. Fighters are listed with the year they were recognized by "The Ring" as champion. (1989-2001, "The Ring" did not award a title.) Jack Dempsey - 1922 Gene Tunney - 1926 Max Schmeling - 1930 Jack Sharkey - 1932 Primo Carnera - 1933 Max Baer - 1934 James J. Braddock - 1935 Joe Louis - 1937 Ezzard Charles - 1950 Jersey Joe Walcott - 1951 Rocky Marciano - 1952 Floyd Patterson - 1956 Ingemar Johansson - 1959 Floyd Patterson (2) - 1960 Sonny Liston - 1962 Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) - 1964 Joe Frazier - 1970 George Foreman - 1973 Muhammad Ali (2) - 1974 Leon Spinks - 1978 Muhammad Ali (3) - 1978 Larry Holmes - 1980 Michael Spinks - 1985 Mike Tyson - 1988 Lennox Lewis - 2002 Vitali Klitschko - 2004 Wladimir Klitschko - 2009 WBC, IBF & WBA heavyweight title holders. Boxers are listed with the year they were recognized as champion by the WBC, IBF & WBA. Boxers defeated the title holder above them on the list (unless noted in parenthesis). Titles won but later stripped because of a failed post-fight drug test are not listed. WBC - World Boxing Council (formed in 1963) Sonny Liston (def. Floyd Patterson, this was the first bout sanctioned by the WBC) - 1963 Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) - 1964 Joe Frazier (def. Jimmy Ellis) - 1970 George Foreman - 1973 Muhammad Ali (2) - 1974 Leon Spinks - 1978 Ken Norton (awarded title after def. Jimmy Young) - 1978 Larry Holmes - 1978 Tim Witherspoon (def. Greg Page) - 1984 Pinklon Thomas - 1984 Trevor Berbick - 1986 Mike Tyson - 1986 James "Buster" Douglas - 1990 Evander Holyfield - 1990 Riddick Bowe - 1992 Lennox Lewis (awarded title after def. Donovan "Razor" Ruddock) - 1992 Oliver McCall - 1994 Frank Bruno - 1995 Mike Tyson (2) - 1996 Lennox Lewis (2) (def. Oliver McCall) - 1997 Hasim Rahman - 2001 Lennox Lewis (3) - 2001 Vitali Klitschko (def. Corrie Sanders) - 2004 Hasim Rahman (2) (def. Monte Barrett for interim title, eventually awarded full title) - 2005 Oleg Maskaev - 2006 Samuel Peter (def. Jameel McCline for interim title in 2007, then won full title from Maskaev) - 2008 Vitali Klitschko (2) - 2008 IBF - International Boxing Federation (formed in 1983) Larry Holmes (awarded title) - 1983 Michael Spinks - 1985 Tony Tucker (def. James "Buster" Douglas) - 1987 Mike Tyson - 1987 James "Buster" Douglas - 1990 Evander Holyfield - 1990 Riddick Bowe - 1992 Evander Holyfield (2) - 1993 Michael Moorer - 1994 George Foreman - 1994 Michael Moorer (2) (def. Axel Schultz) - 1996 Evander Holyfield (3) - 1997 Lennox Lewis - 1999 Hasim Rahman - 2001 Lennox Lewis (2) - 2001 Chris Byrd (def. Evander Holyfield) - 2002 Wladimir Klitschko - 2006 WBA - World Boxing Association (formed in 1921 as the National Boxing Association, changed name in 1962) Jack Dempsey (def. Georges Carpentier, this was the first bout sanctioned by the NBA) - 1921 Gene Tunney - 1926 Max Schmeling (def. Jack Sharkey) - 1930 Jack Sharkey - 1932 Max Baer (def. Primo Carnera) - 1934 James J. Braddock - 1935 Joe Louis - 1937 Ezzard Charles (def. Jersey Joe Walcott) - 1949 Jersey Joe Walcott - 1951 Rocky Marciano - 1952 Floyd Patterson (def. Archie Moore) - 1956 Ingemar Johansson - 1959 Floyd Patterson (2) - 1960 Sonny Liston - 1962 Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) - 1964 Ernie Terrell (def. Eddie Machen) - 1965 Muhammad Ali (2) - 1967 Jimmy Ellis (def. Jerry Quarry) - 1968 Joe Frazier - 1970 George Foreman - 1973 Muhammad Ali (3) - 1974 Leon Spinks - 1978 Muhammad Ali (4) - 1978 John Tate (def. Gerrie Coetzee) - 1979 Mike Weaver - 1980 Michael Dokes - 1982 Gerrie Coetzee - 1983 Greg Page - 1984 Tony Tubbs - 1985 Tim Witherspoon - 1986 James "Bonecrusher" Smith - 1986 Mike Tyson - 1987 James "Buster" Douglas - 1990 Evander Holyfield - 1990 Riddick Bowe - 1992 Evander Holyfield (2) - 1993 Michael Moorer - 1994 George Foreman (2) - 1994 Bruce Seldon (def. Tony Tucker) - 1995 Mike Tyson (2) - 1996 Evander Holyfield (3) - 1996 Lennox Lewis - 1999 Evander Holyfield (4) (def. John Ruiz) - 2000 John Ruiz - 2001 Roy Jones, Jr. - 2003 John Ruiz (2) (def. Hasim Rahman for interim title in 2003, eventually awarded full title) - 2004 Nikolay Valuev - 2005 Ruslan Chagaev - 2007 (stripped of title due to injury and named "champion in recess") Nikolay Valuev (2) (def. John Ruiz) - 2008 David Haye - 2009
no problem. the ring magazine yearly almanac has a good list of world champs/title holders for every weight class but i don't think they did one this year. at least i have not seen one. here's another website that has some good info. http://www.heavyweights.co.uk/history.html
also, if you want to look at top 10 fighters that a fighter beat, you also need to consider Matt Donnelens rankings which are on another recent thread I think it is the top 20 heavyweights one, as they are the best available prior to the rings introduction of rankings.
Mongoose has a lot of information on stuff like wins over top 10 ranked opposition. I'm sure he could help you out.
Sonny Liston: 1955: Marty Marshall- TKO 6- Ranked at Light-Heavyweight top 10 1958: Wayne Bethea: TKO 1 1959 Mike DeJohn: TKO 6 1960: Cleveland Williams TKO 2- Williams slipped in a number 10 spot in monthly ratings Roy Harris: TKO 1 Zora Folley KO 3 Eddie Machen: W 12 1962 Floyd Patterson KO 1 1963: Floyd Patterson KO 1 1968: Henry Clark TKO 7- Clark slipped into the top 10 in monthly ratings Final Tally: Liston beat 10 Ring Magazine rated contenders
Rocky Marciano: 1950 Roland Lastarza W 10 1951 Rex Layne KO 6 Joe Louis KO 8 1952 Harry Kid Matthews KO 2 Jersey Joe Walcott KO 13 1953 Jersey Joe Walcott KO 1 Roland Lastarza TKO 11 1954 Ezzard Charles W 15 Ezzard Charles KO 8 1955 Don Cockell TKO 9 Archie Moore KO 9 Final Tally: Marciano beat 11 Ring Magazine rated contenders
Joe Frazier: 1966: Oscar Bonavena W 10 1967: George Chuvalo TKO 4 1968 Manuel Ramos TKO 2 Oscar Bonavena W 15 1969: Jerry Quarry TKO 7 1970: Jimmy Ellis TKO 5 Bob Foster KO 2 1971: Muhammad Ali W 15 1973: Joe Bugner W 12 1974 Jerry Quarry TKO 5 Final Tally: Joe Frazier beat 10 Ring Magazine rated contenders
Substitute for Ring Year-end Ratings. A few points. 1) I have no agenda, so they should be unbiased. 2) It is year-end, not year accomplishments. 3) I tried to keep retrospective knowledge out of the equation-difficult! 4) The methodology used was to go through all the years and fights chronologically using guides like the late Mike Paul's excellent computer ratings, using 1892 as starting point. 5) The ratings are the best I can do, and I will explain the rationale behind any decision but, as the current Pope is not a boxing fan, they are fallible! 1892 Champion Corbett 2. Jackson 3. Goddard 4. Slavin 5. Choynski 6. Fitzsimmons 7. Hall 8. Godfrey 9. McAuliffe 10. Kilrain 1893 Champion Corbett 2. Jackson 3. Fitzsimmons 4. Denver Smith 5. Hall 6. Goddard 7. Slavin 8. Choynski 9. McAuliffe 10. Godfrey 1894 Champion Corbett 2. Jackson 3. Fitzsimmons 4. Smith 5. Choynski 6. Maher 7. Goddard 8. Hall 9. Slavin 10. Godfrey 1895 Champion Maher 2. Fitzsimmons 3. Jackson 4. Slavin 5. Smith 6. Choynski 7. Felix 8. Hall 9. Creedon 10. O’Donnell 1896 Champion Corbett 2. Fitzsimmons 3 Maher 4. Choynski 5. Sharkey 6. Armstrong 7. Creedon 8. Goddard 9. Ruhlin 10. O’Donnell 1897 Champion Fitzsimmons 2. Maher 3. Sharkey 4. Choynski 5. Childs 6. Corbett 7. Ruhlin 8. Jeffries 9. O’Donnell 10. Armstrong 1898 Champion Fitzsimmons 2. Jeffries 3. Sharkey 4. Maher 5. Corbett 6. McCoy 7. Ruhlin 8. Childs 9. Armstrong 10. Choynski 1899-1919 on the above mentioned thread. 1920 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Fulton 4 Greb 5 Gibbons 6 Carpentier 7 Miske 8 Norfolk 9 Tunney 10 Weinert 1921 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Fulton 4 Gibbons 5 Tunney 6 Carpentier 7 Miske 8 Greb 9 Beckett 10 Brennan 1922 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Greb 4 Gibbons 5 Miske 6 Tunney 7 F.Johnson 8 Brennan 9 Beckett 10 Carpentier 1923 Champion Dempsey 2 Wills 3 Firpo 4 Tunney 5 Carpentier 6 Miske 7 Gibbons 8 Greb 9 Renault 10 F.Johnson
Thank you very much. Also great thanks to liston's jab for getting it started. All i'll say is i'm just focusing on heavyweight accomplishment so liston drops to 9 victories I gather? Thankyou very much for your help on this people, i'll keep updating regarding my findings.
The top boxer record site has the Ring ratings from 1924 on but again be aware that they are year-end only.
Ok perhaps the most difficult one to find a reasonable record of is sullivan. there could be people here who can knowingly refute any of this but by my findings, I have him beating 10 "notable" opposition (there is no ranking system to go off, other than reports and accounts at the time). Of these 10 only 1 was a title defence. I have the opponents as: Donaldson, Dalton, ryan (x2), Elliot, Mitchell, Slade, Mcaffrey, Herald Kilrain (Defence). It has been quite difficult researching sullivan because of the lack of complete records and the tendancy to call a fight an exhibition but that's what I can come up with.