Question about P4P rankings in relation to rankings in singular weight classes

Check again, it was only post-Marciano that Charles really fell off. He was still considered one of the best in the division when he was beaten by Rock. His fights with Marciano (particularly the first one) were his last hurrahs really. Well past his prime, and passing his Heavyweight prime, but not yet shot.

 

The debate was regarding the relation between P4P rankings and rankings in singular weight classes. You mocked my placings of Charles and Marciano on a P4P list, claiming they were illogical considering my HW list. All inane arguments that I've since disproved. Your HW list and our disagreements in that regard had nothing to do with this particular discussion, only to do with the other thread.

As for my rankings. Which ones are you referring to and which ones do you disagree with? If you do consider Marciano and Charles neck and neck at HW, give an explanation. I've already explained in full detail why Rock should rank firmly ahead at HW while Charles should rank far ahead on a P4P list.

 

I just gave you a detailed breakdown of Marciano's opposition, or did you just shun that aside like everything else that disproves your inane views?

Name me 10 HW's with a better case for it, and defend your position (something you've yet to do even once in any of your posts in either thread).

You're impossible to debate with, not because you're intelligent or having anything worthwhile or challenging to say, but because you're just flat out ignorant and, for lack of a better word, dumb. You must have some deep-rooted psychological issues because you're a true headcase. I feel sorry for you.

Unless you're willing to provide me with 10 HW names and justification for their placements above him (or better yet, show some objectivity and rationale), I'll end yet another mindless debate with you on the grounds of insanity.

 

:roll: You're a persistent troll. I'll give you another beating, just in this thread for kicks.

This is copied and pasted from my post near the top of the page. Are you blind, is that the primary reason you've been unable to comprehend or take into account anything I've said?

"As for Marciano's opposition, Charles was past his prime as a HW in general, so you can't fault Marciano for beating a past prime Charles while still considering Charles one of the best ever HW's. Walcott was a case of a fighter who became more and more effective as he aged and gained that invaluable experience, and was fresh off two wins (one of them a brutal KO) over none other than Ezzard Charles coming into the fights with Marciano. The same is true of Moore as was true of Walcott in that both men were damn near ageless warriors. And if you'll check Moore's record from pre and post Marciano, you'll see just how effective he was even at that stage of his career. Past his prime yes, but still a great fighter. Even the win over an obviously faded Joe Louis gets underrated, as Louis wasn't half as shot as people tend to claim and was still obviously a very effective fighter. Since his comeback he'd beaten the likes of Jimmy Bivins, Lee Savold, and Freddie Beshore. All top contenders of the era, Bivins being an un-sung great (though he himself was also admittedly past his best days). Throw in Rock's wins over top guys of the era like Nino Valdes, Roland LaStarza, Rex Layne, Kid Matthews, and the aforementioned Savold and Beshore, and you've got a very sturdy resume, one that gets underrated constantly on the basis of nothing other than ignorance."

First of all, you freely admitted that it was just "off the top of the head" and that you lacked the knowledge on older fighters to even comment in the first place. Basically you were half-assing an attempt at a list.

Second of all, I asked for justification, not just names. You've asked repeatedly for justification for my points (most of which I'd already given but you were too dim-witted to have noticed) and I've given it. Time for you to do the same.

What needs to be justified? If anyone else in this entire thread agrees with you that it's a horrible list, or any of the picks need thorough justification, I'll do so. Otherwise you're just trolling like usual.

P.S. I clearly stated that the list was in no exact order and off the top of the head as well. You are quite possibly the most simple-minded fool I've ever come across on this forum. You make me cringe at the thought of the lows the human mind is capable of plummeting to:verysad .

 

Gimme a break mods. This is out and out trolling, get rid of him.

 

I resorted to those attacks based on your ignorance and inability to engage in a debate without making condescending remarks that lacked any substance whatsoever. You're one of the most annoying trolls I've ever come across.

I've actually been in a good mood all day. This is about the nicest you could ever expect me to be to such absurd ignorance. I'll just start telling it like it is in the future.