Question.......Ex Pro's becoming Trainer's (kinda)

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  1. HairyHighlander

    HairyHighlander BASS !! HOWLOWCANUGO ?? Full Member

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    Ok, not sure where to kick off with this but here goes.....

    So i was having a shave just there and i thought.....what current Brit trainers had successful fight careers ?

    Then i was thinking outside the UK and of course Roach comes to mind.....as does Fenech perhaps.......until he stole those watches.

    Anyways, point is.....theres a lot of UK trainers with quality fighters yet i dont remember them having exceptional Pro careers..........McCracken had a good outing as did Jim MacDonald..........then theres the rest.......

    Tibbs.

    Nelson (he had a cpl amateur fights i thought i read once.......have never asked)

    Ronnie Davies.

    Enzo Calz.

    Peter Harrison.

    Booth.

    Gallagher.

    Lockett, Arnie and Paul Weir all had decent careers in the ring though are still fresh in the corner perhaps.......early days (Please, no shitslinging posts either......pls try)

    Anyways, would be interesting to know more of there backgrounds if anyone has any info......and as theres a few here with a ton of knowledge from the old days and Asia etc......i wouldnt mind hearing of any successful ex pros that gained the same return from the corner.

    I keep thinking of a fighter (there could be more than one) that said "i have been there and done it" when they were gonna start training fighters.....which is how this post/thread has come about.

    The majority of top trainers didnt have great success in the ring previously............no ?


    Thanks for reading and if i may ask one more thing.....

    Which current fighter worldwide do you see becoming a successful trainer ?

    Bernard ?

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  2. WalletInspector

    WalletInspector Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT4bK4Xwovc[/ame]
     
  3. 1971791

    1971791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kostya Tszyu is training Denis Lebedev. Too early to tell where that one is going.

    I can see JMM becoming a trainer or at the very least a top analyst.
     
  4. Smoggy7188

    Smoggy7188 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pat Flash Barrett had a pretty good career. He is now training and took over Brian Hughes stable I think.
     
  5. bluenoseshf

    bluenoseshf Active Member Full Member

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    Same can be said for many sports, exceptional participants dont usually make good coaches, football always being the obvious example. This is probably down to a number of things such as;

    . Pros that didnt make it to the top can pass on advice so their fighters dont make the same mistakes.

    .Boxers that didnt make it to the top as a fighter being hungrier for success as a coach that someone that had it as a fighter.

    . Some coaches may have picked up an injury so they went into coaching at a younger age than someone who went onto have a long successful career.

    . Also Most fighters dont have anything to fall back on as boxing is all they know so they have to go into coaching to pay the bills. Fighters who have made it to the top can make money from TV appearences, Sportsmans dinners etc so are less motivated to go into coaching, which for the most part isnt that lucrative.


    As for who I think may make a good coach, I mite get pelters for this but Floyd Mayweather. If he was half as dedicated as a coach as he was a boxer he would surely be a success.
     
  6. sidthehat

    sidthehat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kostya's not training him full time. He lives half his time in Oz with his family.
     
  7. HairyHighlander

    HairyHighlander BASS !! HOWLOWCANUGO ?? Full Member

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    Appreciate the replys/info......


    Cheers :thumbsup
     
  8. bluenoseshf

    bluenoseshf Active Member Full Member

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    To be honest its an interesting subject and the geekish side of me would like to dig into this deeper to see if there is a trend in every sport and why this is.

    P.s I think winston has to be the best avatar picture on this site.
     
  9. HairyHighlander

    HairyHighlander BASS !! HOWLOWCANUGO ?? Full Member

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    I should of paid more dues to ya post tbh, you fired up well.

    Am still a bit tired from typing the opening one :lol:

    As a few ppl know, am very much into the mental scape of a fighter.....or so i have found maself noticing.


    Anyways :good









    Winston > Tam > The rest :lol:
     
  10. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I think Bernard would make a very good mentor for a fighter and has had great teaching. He will have to accept that he cannot ask every fighter to be as technically gifted and disciplined as him. Like in any sport you have to coach and accept levels your working with.

    I be back with some predictions/punts in a bit...tougher then actually predicting how good a fighter a prospect would be.
     
  11. WalletInspector

    WalletInspector Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    How about Matt Macklin as a trainer? :think
     
  12. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Basically top participants generally dont make good trainers for the simple reason that most are instinctively good they dont analyse there performance in the same way that a trainer might be able to from an outside perspective.

    Clearly they are able to make a certain amount of conscious adjustments during a fight but many of the tiny changes in the way that they fight they do through instinct. All the calculations that their brain is making are happening at a million miles per hour and most of these top participants arent able to actually break down that process. For example somebody who is an amazing dribbler of the ball in football probably couldnt tell you the exact reason that the defender foot positions and body language meant that they would be skinned by a step over then a flick left and a change of direction they just do it.

    The skill of being a trainer is being able to understand all the intricacies of a sport then being able to teach a participant how to implement these skills in the best way with the participants skillset in mind. Its not an easy job. You can just imagine the frustration the Pernell Whittaker must have trying to teach his charges how to be as evasive as he was.