Question for big Froch fans: Who are the fighters Froch COULDN'T KO at 168/175?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    ...serious thread; I'm not being facetious.:good
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    So...he could prove the next Lacy as much as the 168 version of Tyson, right?

    You were just indulging in wishful thinking when you gave him a good chance of KOing Pavlik, Taylor, Tarver, etc, right?

    You were merely hoping that since his chin and punch were at least very good, and since he had a very good amateur record, he would be good enough, right?

    ...but couldn't really justify your pick, correct?
     
  3. TFFP

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    Not really. How could I justify it based on what Froch has actually achieved? It looks to me you came into the thread trying to prove something to that end, its very transparent. It can be justified on the attributes Froch has shown and the weaknesses the above fighters have shown. After all, nobody should have picked Pavlik over Taylor if resume was the be all and end all.

    At the end of it, it can only be an educated guess and gut feeling until Froch has done it against at least the Pascal's of the world.
     
  4. ghostlybadge

    ghostlybadge Punch Drunk Full Member

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    there is a diference in being able to KO and being able to win. i think cobra could KO pavlik and taylor and bute and taver as he has great power but if he can win is a different story.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    But you're assuming Froch's chin and punch are not just very good, but good enough to give him the KO edge over Pavlik, Taylor, etc., given these fighter's weaknesses against top world class oppositio. This is an assumtion that isn't warranted; it's a wishful guess.

    Precisely! But it's not your usual kind of objective, warranted educated guess, it's the kind of educated guess that comes with a lot of hope attached.

    The reason why this is not just your usual educated guess is becase the same kind of educated guess could be used to say that many, many other prospects who have so far shown very good chin and power against modest opposition would have a good chance of KOing top world class fighters like Pavlik, Taylor, etc.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Good point. I meant: "Who was he unlikely to KO". He has a very good punch and a very good chin, so he could KO everyone, if he landed his best punch and the other guy didn't take it just right, presumably.
     
  7. dwilson

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    With only a whiff of his breath.


    Now seriously. Froch could KO any of the guys at 160/168 and 175 but the chance of him landing correctley differs from fighter to fighter, some of the guys you mentioned are expert defensive fighters or have styles that would destroy Froch vut then again some are made for him. We have not yet seen Froch fight a genuine world class fighter so we do not know if he can force his style in a fight against the best opponents, if he can then he could be great but if he can not he could end up like Edison Miranda and just a an enertaining punch bag.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I agree. I am bemused that instead of contentrating on Pascal, who will give Froch a real test, as far as we can make out, we keep on making fantasy match-ups involving him, just for the love we bear him. Froch could prove to be a real monster, who could beat anyone out there and KO most of them, but until he at least beats Pascal, I think it's unwise for us to assume Pascal has no chance at all or that it's a forgone conclusion, not least because we'd be selling a possible Froch victory very short, against him.

    Expectations from Froch on this forum have risen so much lately, without much firm ground to base them on, that we're really setting ourselves up for a big disappointment were he to lose to anyone who wasn't the best, and we're in danger of not caring about some very good results he might achieve against the likes of Pascal, etc., which is unfair to Froch.

    Hope we're not falling in the "England will win the World Cup" mentality with Froch. Froch needs to "qualify for the world cup" by beating Pascal, before we should let ourselves go, I think.
     
  9. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    pretty much agree, but i would swop taylor and bute personally.:blurp
     
  10. dwilson

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    I am a fan of Froch but he has not achieved anything yet. He has looked impressive but he has only faced fairly limited foe. I think he has the talent to be a world champion but I think without a protecting promoter like Warren or the Germans behind him he will have to fight top level competion to get his chance and to keep his belt. I think he belt holding career will be short but he could alot of guys a few surprises and us fans a couple of big exciting fights to look forward to. I do bot think he will mind having a short title reign as long he gets to fight the best, no way does he want to **** around for years doing nothing but watch the best opponents fight other people and not him.




    I do not think people are over rating Froch. I think people are under estimating the opposition like Pavlik, Bute and a few of the guys at 175. I have talked **** about some of these guys but sometimes I am prepared to give my honest opinion.


    Taylor will get better and better for me and will be the one to watch.
     
  11. TFFP

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    All fair enough points and I know where you're coming from. It is impossible to say accurately, I'm just putting my opinion out there on how I see Froch's potential matching up against these names. It wouldn't be very interesting if we all said he can't KO any because he hasn't proven anything yet ;)

    I'm not sure there are any other prospects with Froch's power, chin and variety of offensive work. That is what makes him an exciting prospect in the division, and why I think he has such a good chance.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :lol:

    Yeah, let's all form ranks against the Froch hater, eh, Benji!:p

    It's funny, because we don't have hopes anywhere near as big from Haye, for example, who is one of the best cruisers ever, etc. I just don't get it, and I'm a big fan of tough, aggressive fighters with a big punch and a great chin, like Froch, for example...:huh
     
  13. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    the only thing that worries me about froch is that if he fights someone with a decent chin and high workrate I.E calzaghe, he would lose a decision because hes not active enough
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You know what, I think that's bang on, come to think of it. It's not so much Froch they're overrating. It's the top world class fighter like Pavlik, Taylor, etc, that people like to underrate.
     
  15. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    :lol:


    personally i think that haye and froch are the only real big hopes for british boxing over the next 3-4 years


    they are both exciting punches who will either knock someone out or be knocked out, khan has no real hope any more. Hatton is nearly finished. Calzaghe is in his last fight. so haye and froch are the two big hopes and i think both have great potential, even better with froch living down the road:blurp