Question for (cough) genius Phil Austin

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  1. LeonMcS

    LeonMcS The Mayor of Kronkton Full Member

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    Was watching Chris John vs Juan Manuel Marquez last night and need some clarification on a scoring issue.

    In the 10th JMM was penalised a point for a low blow, yet seemed to do enough to win the round. However, under the ten point must system he can't win the round (as I understand it) so how do you score it?

    10-9 to CJ as Marquez can't get the 10?

    9-9 even round, but that doesn't make sense with a 10 point must system?

    10-9 to JMM, can't see how we get here but I'll throw it up anyway?

    10-8 to CJ, -1 for the point loss and the safer route?

    For any one keeping score at home I had it 115-111 to Chris John, JMM lost points in the 10th & 11th for low blows, I settled on a 10-8 to John in the 10th but am not convinced I've chosen correctly.
     
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  2. Phil Austin

    Phil Austin Keep on Kronkin on! Full Member

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    Ahhh finally the recognition I have always craved!

    The indiviual round cards are like this:
    box for Gross point score ie 10 - 9
    box for point deduction ie -1
    box for net point score ie 9 - 9

    so basically JMM score was 10 minus one for the 300th low blow of the fight.
    If you thought JMM won the round but give it 10-8 to John you have marked it down incorrectly also when you look at it, you have a 3 point swing for 1 point deduction (you have gone from a situation where Juan is 10 - 9 up to 10 - 8 down on the basis of one deduction)

    On the subject of this fight and I am glad you watched it, I was ringside for the fight as I supervised the semi-main event that night - how was that ref? he spent something like the first 2-3 rounds on a track meet charging around the ring!
     
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  3. stiflers mum

    stiflers mum Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i have 2 questions Phil.
    Katsidis/ Earl where the referee threw the towel back out of the ring when Earls corner threw the towel in.
    1.have you ever seen this before?
    2. if Earl got seriously injured after that could the referee be found liable for that and be sued by Earl?
     
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  4. Phil Austin

    Phil Austin Keep on Kronkin on! Full Member

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    1) yes I have, Mickey has done it a few times, outside of that not since the 60's I reckon

    2) **** yes! If I was Earl or his rellies I would have been all over him like **** on a blanket. It is a very brave man to disregard a towel, and as I have said before I hate a towel being thrown in on me as it means I have not done my job properly. If a corner want to surrender their man I will always respect that
     
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  5. LeonMcS

    LeonMcS The Mayor of Kronkton Full Member

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    Cheers mate, but you going to have to color it in for me a bit more, had a late night.
    You're saying the round is 9-9 even? I was originally going to score it that way but thought someone has to score 10 points in the round.

    Also with the Kats-Earl fight, I'll always maintain that incident with the towel led to Katsidis getting knocked down. He'd just put Earl down again, the towel came in, Katsidis was distracted for just a split second (you can see his eyes switch from Earl to the towel) which gave Earl the oppurtunity to jump on Kats.

    The rules state in that instance 'only the referee can stop the fight' but I've never seen a ref throw the towel out before, the worst thing about it the Kats kd gave some justification to his decision when in fact he was directly responsible for the turnaround.
     
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  6. westside

    westside Active Member Full Member

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    i dunno about that philiosophy necessarily Phil. I guess you dont think its concrete, as there are different instances where a towel would be thrown.. not just because the guys getting too bashed. eg an older guy who is getting completely outclassed & the corner wants to stop the fight early.
     
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  7. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    I have an important question too Phil, which you've been avoiding way too long. Its time to stop avioding it!!!!!!!!!!!

    In the Tunney/Dempsey II... an immediate count was placed on Dempsey as he hit the floor... You barely had time to count ONE, before Dempsey was up and at it again... Yet, when Dempsey had Tunney in all sorts of trouble towards the end of the bout, you flatly refused to put a count on Tunney, until the mis-guided Tunney had made his way to the neutral corner.

    As we all know, Tunney was afforded close to 9 minutes to recover, before you even looked like counting.

    Obviously had your 'under the table bets' on Tunney, Hey Phil!!!!!!!!!!!!


    We wont even talk about your scoring in the Fenech/Nelson bout!!!!!!!
     
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  8. Phil Austin

    Phil Austin Keep on Kronkin on! Full Member

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    Ha ha flame! I just got home to my waterfront property on the coast (paid for by the Tunney-Dempsy fight) after driving home in my Aston Martin Vanquish S parking it next to my F430 Spyder (paid for by the first Fenech-Nelson fight) cry me a river ****ers! I'm rich!!! :p
    Yes Leon the round would be 9-9 technically, JMM as winner of the round was awarded 10 points before losing his point for the foul
     
    Phil Austin, May 8, 2009
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  9. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Nice work Phil.... I guess you had Joe Louis working as a 'greeter' at the front door!!!!

    lol.
     
    flamengo, May 8, 2009
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  10. Phil Austin

    Phil Austin Keep on Kronkin on! Full Member

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    That's Leonard's Job - the Brown Bomber washed the cars
     
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  11. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    ....and what was Ketchel doing whilst you were out????? :hey
     
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  12. Phil Austin

    Phil Austin Keep on Kronkin on! Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

    **** me! I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! You just earn't my wife a right slapping! :nut
     
    Phil Austin, May 8, 2009
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  13. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    :D Kind Regard, S. Ketchel.
     
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  14. one in a million

    one in a million Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hello genius Phil, I have a ? for you.

    How much do the boxers on May 27 undercard get paid per round.
     
    one in a million, May 18, 2009
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  15. westside

    westside Active Member Full Member

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    per round??... around 1k per fight on average.
     
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