Question for PED experts.

It has also been scientifically proven that the mind affects performance.

Ever heard of the "placebo" effect?

1 group is given the real performance enhancing pill, another group is given a sugar pill but is told it is a performance enhancing pill.

BOTH groups perform better, even though 1 group only has the sugar pill. The mind is so powerful that it can convince you to be weak or strong.

Pac thinks blood draining weakens him, wtf is FLoyd trying to weaken him?

 

Untrue. Im not Bullshiting. The tests they do for EPO especially now they have better technology are working. Ive read they can still mask EPO with Saline but Ive read EPO will stay in the blood stream for up to a Month.

So not to get found out you would have to do alot of Masking. Thats alot of IV's around a Boxing gym for people to talk about.

 

Yeah apparently floyd knows of these ones u can flush in a week.:yep

 

Manny should educate himself.

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/features.aspx?articleid=5168&zoneid=9

 

This is almost the right question, but you forgot a very important detail: Said PED must be undetectable in urine, because Pacquiao agreed to unlimited urine tests from the beginning. EPO obviously is detectable in urine - in fact, it's only detectable in urine. There is no blood test for it.


I've been asking this same question since December and have yet to receive a reasonable answer. Good luck in your quest.

 

This is what i cant understand for people to buy into what Mayweather Sr said to be like True oh it must be true with no prrof nothing.

Oh by the way the leading expert in EPO said you can find traces of EPO in the system for up to a month.

It can be masked but with all the testing in a months period he surely would be found out as most cyclists are getting done these days.

14 day period to me seams like if was willing to be tested for 2 months leading up to the fight then straight after the fight the only window was 14 days whats the problem.

I mean has anyone seen Manny sitting around when traing for a fight with a IV constantly sticking out of his arm..

Thats the question i want a answer for.

 

Exactly:

Blood testing has received a lot of attention because it is a new concept in the drug testing world. There is a blood test for EPO use, but it is only an indirect test that can be used as a screening measure to save money by determining whether the urine EPO test needs to be conducted. All the blood test does is tell the testers that the athlete

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has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. The abnormal profile could be caused by the use of EPO, some other blood boosting drug, or just be explained by the athlete being a genetic freak or living at altitude. The testers then perform the urine EPO test to determine whether artificial EPO is the cause of the abnormality. The blood test does not have to be done in order for the athlete to test positive for EPO.


-Dr. Don Catlin

Former head of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, one of the top drug labs in the world, and he headed the drug testing lab at the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics

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. Dr. Caitlin is the same head of the UCLA lab that helped to expose the Balco doping scandal. Dr. Catlin, considered the most prominent anti-doping drug tester in the world.



So It cant be EPO which people are using as an excuse for his stamina.

It wouldnt be HGH, why would it be? He "may" have used it to gone up in weight but he is now up in weight so whats the use? Are you gonna tell me 9 days of HGH is gonna turn him into superman? So much so that it scares Floyd to death you guys want him to back out of 40mil?

What is the drug *****'s?

 

Placebo is the most powerful medication we have today. As much as 30% of the affectiveness of a drug can be acounted for by placebo. That being said if pac seriously has a problem with blood and needles he should try some CBT in the next few months leading up to the fight (CBT = Cognitive Behavioural Therapy).

With respect to the PEDS question. Yes plenty of things can taken within 14 days of the fight to get your ass in shape a bit better. That being said its a far cry better then no testing at all and I'll take it. I mean frankly by the sounds of it with a 14 day cut off Pac will only be required to donate blood for a four or five week period. He could just work this into his normal cycling off routine and then get back on the juice when the USADA boys leave. People don't stay on these drugs all the time anyways. They cycle on and they cycle off.

But if there is testing there is at least a better chance that we won't get this guy showing up -->

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Or this guy

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From what I've read perpetrators are working hard everyday to invent different types of PEDs that go undetected. It's not so much the specific kind of PED that's important but the fact that athletes are getting away with cheating. I wouldn't trust the standard testing method if I'm told Shane Mosley used EPO and they were never able to detect it. Would you - especially if your career is on the line and you're giving someone a chance to make up to $40 million? Nobody thinks requesting for a few random blood tests is unreasonable unless they're condoning drug use. Pac was giving only a few thousand dollars away yet he made his contestants go through a urine test for a weight loss contest.

I work damn hard and will never see anything close to a million bucks in my entire life. You're not entitled to complain when you're making a ridiculous amount of money and you're required to go through only 6 random blood tests within a 2 month span unless you have some sort of medical disorder which if that's the case you probably shouldn't be boxing.

 

****ing constant stream of dumbasses here on esb. There is unlimited urine testing, which by the ****ing way is the best method and only legal test for EPO testing. They can directly test for EPO every ****ing day leading upto and on the ****ing day of the fight if they wanted to.

You got that?

The only thing they trying to get with blood is HGH which they can't ****ing detect anyways.

 

Marion Jones used EPO, was tested by WADA and it went undetected. Floyd Landis just today admitted to using EPO and never tested positive for it (he did test positive for steroids, though).

 

Just adding to this that testing changes over time. What Mosley and Jones got away with then they won't get away with now obviously.

Riccardo Ricco was tested positive for Micera EPO only weeks after it was released to market. Hell even the grandfather of antidoping from UCLA Olympic lab thought Micera was undetectable and he said only blood showed hope.

Haha, he was wrong, cuz Roche Labs sent WADA samples a year before and they developed a test together.

Surprise Ricco, you got busted for Micera thru the URINE TEST.

 

There isn't any type of method that is 100% accurate. The important thing is to take action when there is a problem. Sitting around idling isn't going to help anyone. Therefore you stick with a method that is strong even if it isn't flawless.

 

So what are those "plenty of things" that will take effect in a 10-12 day window ? Gotta remember that he still needs a few days to clear out at the very minimum for the post fight tests. I won't even mention that he's taking urine tests the whole time. BTW, urine testing has longer detection times than blood testing for the majority of stuff out there. This whole conversation is bull**** !!!!

 

Source or STFU newb.:twisted: