Question for PED experts.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Predicto, May 20, 2010.


  1. Partaxian

    Partaxian Active Member Full Member

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    Shane wasnt under unlimited random urine test either.
     
  2. badger6

    badger6 Ask your wife !!! Full Member

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    WTF are you talking about ? You make no ****ing sense. All known substances that they test for, whether through blood or urine have a testing detection time. They also have an effective time that you must cycle them to see measurable benefits. What I want to know is what can he take for 10 days and still pass the tests and gain a REAL benefit ? Deca, Sustunon 250, Equipoise, HGH ? You don't know what the **** your talking about !
     
  3. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    :lol:

    I don't think you even know what you're talking about. EPO is EPO no matter the drug, it has the same effect. What different types of EPO are there? Do you even know what EPO is?
     

  4. Nobody needs to be an expert. Surely if such a drug exists, somebody would know about it. It only takes a single person to have heard of this drug, then we can all look it up on this fabulous thing called the interwebs.
     
  5. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is like when they figured out Micera/CERA. Its an EPO for people with blood disease.

    Anyways, testers were scratching their heads because the results were the same as known EPO but the two bars were just in different places. The two bars on the test sheet signify a positive. They knew all along that people were doped up on the new EPO, they just had to develop a specific variation of the urine test for it. 2 months after Micera hit the streets, bam positive on Ricco.
     
  6. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know you don't. All of this information is readily available. EPO is picked up by testing for changes in specific proteins. So if the EPO used does not make the change looked for by the test? Pass. Currently there are SIX forms of the drug on the regular market.

    Epogen
    Epotin
    Betapoietin
    ReliPoietin
    Epokine
    Shanpoietin

    Who knows how many exist on the black market. So I ask you the question, do you even know what EPO or similar drugs are?

    Then there is blood doping with a person's own blood. They still don't have a test for that other than getting a baseline of red blood cell count.

    Why do you do this to yourself?
     
  7. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    I don't know enough about the drug, but I know that these drugs are beyond the level of Ariza's expertise. Procrit, micera, or any other synthetic EPO requires at least a baseline lab data, then a follow up lab. Baseline data would give the provider an idea on how much and how often to give the drug. Follow up would give them an idea of where the Hct/Hgb would be and when to wean off.

    I don't know if EPO is rampant in the sport, I just can't picture it. Dehydration + high altitude + EPO could easily lead to polycythemia.
     
  8. gyll

    gyll Undetectable Full Member

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    Unless I misunderstood, which I doubt, you were asking for a specific type of PED that can go undetected. Am I right? If that's the case, I'm telling you now - it's irrelevant because just as there intelligent criminals who can beat an alarm system, there are types of PEDs that can go undetected. It's logic. Why the **** is the name of a PED so damn important? If I get sick do I really need to state to you the scientific name of the virus in my body?

    "What I want to know is what he can take for 10 days and still pass the tests and gain a REAL benefit?"

    Isn't that the same as, "I'd like to know the name of a specific kind of drug I can take for ten days that will go undetected..."?

    Bottom line is...a PED is a...PED! Lol. What difference does it ****ing make? There are ones that are harder to detect than others. Each and every single one of them enhances your natural abilities which is considered illegal.
     
  9. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    :lol:

    Your just naming different types of drugs. Those are ALL EPO, in synthetic form. Find out what EPO is first. :good
     
  10. badger6

    badger6 Ask your wife !!! Full Member

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    It's a very valid question. I think you missed the second part of what I was asking. It was a rhetorical question because I already know the answer. 10 Days of taking something isn't gonna do ****. You people have no ****ing idea of how this **** works. There are no magic pills !!!
     
  11. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    Did you read this (link) about the recent result on the HGH study - sprint capacity?
     
  12. slantone

    slantone Ring General Full Member

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    :good
    but..
    save your breath. been down that route- they are who they are- forgive them.
     
  13. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know what EPO is clown. The synthetic forms have different protein expressions.

    EPO isn't even the issue. Detecting it is. The different forms have different protein expressions. To detect abuse you have to detect the protein expressions.

    Anyway, like I said, there is still hard core blood doping.

    Now you are dancing to look cute. :roll:
     
  14. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ugh, give that BS up. Pac is innocent. His actions paint him as guilty. Many a man has gone to prison for circumstantial evidence.

    When you walk away from $40 million dollars to make $10, people look at you funny. :blood
     
  15. gyll

    gyll Undetectable Full Member

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    Whatever the case is, 6 random blood tests is not a lot. I don't give a flying **** who you are, if you can't deal with that then you have the mental capacity of a child. I understand we're not all physically built the same. But if you can find a way to withstand punches to your face you can find a way to overcome a few mental hurdles that keep you away from needles. Besides, you only work twice a year and would have to go through that type of procedure only once, assuming there isn't a rematch with Floyd. And if there is one, maybe you should find a way to negotiate a clause where you only go through the OSDT process just once.